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MotoGP | 2025 | Race 4 | Qatar | Lusail | Apr 11- Apr 13

Discussion in 'General' started by BigBird, Apr 6, 2025.

  1. redtailracing

    redtailracing gone tuna fishin'

    I’ve wondered about this before. I think the problem is how creative teams could get with cooling. If pressure drops too low, it becomes a safety issue; not to mention a bad look for Michelin. IIRC, this wasn’t an issue with Bridgestone. Seems that’s where the answer lies.
     
  2. Used2befast

    Used2befast Well-Known Member

    I think he landed on his right side on the curbing bouncing a bit. It doesn't appear that his airbag system did much to help his ribs. Ughhh
     
  3. Pride & Joy

    Pride & Joy Well-Known Member

    So...do I have this right? Today's front tire seems to work absolutely the best (as indicated by the fastest guy on the track in the lead) when at, or just under the "safety" threshold established by the rulemakers? Perhaps the threshold is too high. Maybe the teams should install yet some more electronic wizardry like a cf flap extension that comes out of the front fender when needed to block more air to the tire allowing it to gain more heat and maintain a "safe" pressure. I'm not quite sure which end of the spectrum resolution is more ridiculous.
     
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  4. Spang308

    Spang308 Well-Known Member

    I meant a GP24 or 25, not the mundane pasta rocket of years past. It seems to me Zarco rides to his level, not the bike's. So the results you mentioned jive with my thoughts also.
     
  5. thrak410

    thrak410 My member is well known

    I disagree with this, they didn't cheat. They have to set the pressure based on where they think the rider will be, and for mav it was probably mid to back of pack. He got penalized (significantly I might add) for riding well and leading the race.

    Set the tire pressure on the grid and don't allow any change, verify the psi then and there and let the riders manage it however they need to. Check it when they come off track if you want ...

    I can't seem to remember any front tires blowing up.... so whats the safety concern?
     
  6. crashman

    crashman Grumpy old man

    Whenever someone wants to implement a stupid rule they always say "safety".
     
  7. 2blueYam

    2blueYam Track Day Addict

    So, when is that pressure taken? No matter when it is, you would have teams and riders playing games with the tire temps / tire warmers / slow or fast warm up laps to move it in the legal direction. When do you take the pressure on the dry tires for flag-to-flag races when going from wet to dry tires?
     
  8. kenessex

    kenessex unregistered user

    It seems to me that Aprilia needs a better replacement rider for Martin than Savadori.
     
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  9. HPPT

    HPPT !!!

    Get wheels and tires “homologated” after morning warm up. each team can present up to 4 sets per bike at ambient temperature to tech inspectors. Valve stem caps get sealed after measurement. Then they can do whatever they want with warners. Check the seals at the 5-min board and/or after the race.
     
  10. Evad101

    Evad101 Well-Known Member

    I was thinking the same thing but he needs(ed) seat time on the bike as he has not had much with his injuries. Used it to learn the bike better whether or not he finished in the points.

    Really crappy what happen to him though so hindsight says he should have pulled off...

    ...but racers race!
     
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  11. Quicktoy

    Quicktoy Is it Winter yet?

  12. Spang308

    Spang308 Well-Known Member

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  13. motion

    motion Nihilistic Member

    GFY quicktoy
     
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  14. eggfooyoung

    eggfooyoung You no eat more!

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  15. nigel smith

    nigel smith Well-Known Member

    It will take him three or four seasons to ruin the Factory Ducati. How old is he? Yamaha could happen.
     
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  16. superdino

    superdino Naturally aspirated twin-turbo

    Seriously. Here are the rules, follow them or suffer your well-deserved penalty.

    We thought we might not lead but maybe be mid-pack so we intentionally set the tire pressure to Cheat Mode but we didn't expect to lead the race that's why we don't need to follow the rules because usually we are slow but today we were fast so please give us a free pass.

    No.
     
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  17. superdino

    superdino Naturally aspirated twin-turbo

    "Maybe I should've stayed on a front-running Ducati instead of moving to Aprilia?"

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  18. redtailracing

    redtailracing gone tuna fishin'

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  19. redtailracing

    redtailracing gone tuna fishin'

    You do realize EVERYONE in the mid pack has their pressures set to the same so called “cheat mode” because if they didn’t, their shit would either cook to the point of becoming a greasy mess or they’d have to deliberately let their opponents pull a gap and hope they can get it back later, right?

    Are some of yall really that thick that you think teams and riders are trying to deliberately cheat a live monitoring system that’s basically damn near uncheatable? What would it take for you to say “ya know, it’s interesting that we never had these problems with Bridgestones and, in fact, no other motorcycle series in the world seems to have this problem. Maybe Michelin should figure out how to make a tire that not only has an operating window wider than a cunt hair, but a safety window that isn’t so damn hard to hit.”
     
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  20. Namarow

    Namarow Well-Known Member

    It is a drag seeing him and GG struggle. I said in the off season that whenever Joe has a serious relationship he trails off. Half joking. But once again!:crackup:
     

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