2013 vintage rules

Charles. Did some AHRMA racing with Brian Henderson and Rob Simpson as riders on my TZ750s. Rob won Open GP championship. Sponsored CJ Caputo in Enduro karting and won 2 Junior Yamaha Championships. Spent the last year getting ready for Phillip Island. Mike Himmelsbach riding my Spondon in International Challenge.

 

Busy man, good on you.:up:

PM me for some ideas about raising funds for your international effort.

We of the infamous '2-Stroke Racing Horde', aka 'The Dark Side', would love to see your TZ750's on the grid in WERA Vintage. How do we make that happen, if only once or twice?

 

I'll ride that F3. :up:

 

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charles-,,,,god i would love to hear and see a real live tz750 at a wera event,,hopfully in 2013 be for i get to old to drive to one,, can u twist his arm ,,get him to do it,,did u say lyn has one ??? many thanks -steve....

 

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hey joe !!!! there u are ,,i thought that f3 mite be the beast to get u going ...cool we'll talk about it as we go forward...steve.............

 

You may have to change some things like tires but i think combinig v-3, formula 2 stroke and v-4 would increase grids and free up time for other classes to be added. my 2 cents.

 

How can you put formula 2 stroke bikes with mono shock and water cool and hybrd frame bikes racing with twin shock pre....1982 bikes......put formula 2 stroke with v-5 would be a good fit..... then there bumb up class would be lw v6 that would be the only way to combine formula 2 stroke into another class.................................

 

Doug,
V5 is already the bump up class for both V4 and F- 2 stroke. Can you remember back to when V4 and Formula 2-stroke were made into separate classes and why? I don't since it was before I started racing.

I don't think V3 should be combined with anything though. That is a good class as it is and Formula 500 bikes fit in V3 well too.

I'd have to think about allowing all V5 bikes into V6lw. Personally, I'd be OK with it but I'm not sure it would be wise in all instances.

 

What business is it of yours when and why V4 and F-2Stroke were made into two separate classes.........friendo?

 

Maybe I missed something, but why is it necessary/approriate to combine V-4 with anything and thereby eliminate the class? You have one season with few entries in the class so you want to kill it? I bring my Cagiva back out, Wayne returns on his bike, a couple of the BMW's return, Doug brings his Cagiva back . . . the class is alive and well. The class exists for a reason, and if you really want to kill it, make twin shock, pre-82 bikes run with V-5 and Formula 2 Stroke bikes. It will certainly stroke the egos of the V-5 & Formula riders, and it will provide a tremendous disincentive for anyone with a V-4 bike to attend a WERA Vintage race.

RacerTex said it well. The ideas proposed under the guise of "performance indexing" will result in two Vintage classes: one for Honda 350's and one for everything else. Then, you can watch people who don't race Honda 350's or V-5/Formula or V-6+ bikes disappear from WERA Vintage altogether.

Yes, the appropriate response is show up and race or shut up, and I plan to show back up and race. Times, the economy and people change periodically. Grids wax and wane. Bikes and interest come and go and come back. There is no "magic bullet" to instantly re-create the grids of the 90's. If time on race day is an issue, be flexible enough to combine classes and bikes as appropriate - it makes no sense to have a race with two bikes in two different classes (one per class) occupying the time of a single race on Saturday. If that means a back to back race for someone, so be it - it is better than not racing at all. If it means someone's second race is eliminated because of combining classes, address it at the track, and if necessary issue a refund or a credit. There is no perfect solution, but with flexibility, it can be accomodated. Closing speeds are an issue: V-5 or Formula bikes with GP350 bikes is not a good idea. I think WERA has done a pretty doggone good job of mixing, matching and balancing the various considerations, and I have no reason to believe that will not continue.

I'm sure I'll have ample opportunity to be reminded of my words as the season progresses, but remember my caveat above: THERE IS NO PERFECT SOLUTION.

Ok, I'm off the box, and back to building BSA's and Cagivas - both require a lot of work, ya'know . . . .

Cheers,

Dave

 

Thanks for the insight, and the continued support of Vintage motorcycle racing as an adjunct to the modern classes.

Cheers,

Dave

 

The only change I would like to see concerning Vintage relates to Sunday. I do not think V5 bikes are competitive in the C class as currently listed. Nor do I think V3 bikes are competitive in Clubman. I think a better match would be V4 and V5 in Clubman.

Perhaps some of the V6 bikes would be a better fit for the C class but those who ride them would be a better source of information on that than me.

I would be much more inclined to stay for Sunday if I knew I could ride a V5/F2Stroke bike in Clubman. Riding the H1 in Clubman would be a waste of time and money.

 

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folks--i started this thread cause i'm building 2 new to wera v5 and v6lw bikes,,wanted to see what folks have in mind and see for the future of v classes...i like what i hear and thats why i'll drive 2 thousand miles round trip to each event,, a big plus is the folks i'v met so far have exceeded my thoughts as far as help and ideas..plus i get a lot more seat time than 4-6 seconds of drag racing each run,,(thank you very much) wera racers are blessed with v classes no such thing over here in central usa !!!!!!!!! looks like mongo is in step with the racers and admin...dam i'm a lucky guy,,,,,,seeyaa joe and every one else nx. yr..... dam i hope i get up to speed soon and am not in the way,,,,,,,,,steve..................................

 

I would tend to agree, but could a V-5 bike actually have an advantage? I don't know enough about the performance of some of the V-5 bikes, but could a 450 displacement RZ be the bike to beat or a 750 Ducati if the engine is built?

My V-2, Ascot, V-4 , Seca 550, and V-5, FZ600 bikes are already clubman legal. But, if the 500 Interceptor was legal for clubman, that would be kind of fun, too.

 

As the rules are currently the Aprilia RS250 frame/RZ motor limited to 396cc which we call a hybrid is already is already legal for Clubman. The next available cylinder set is 421cc. Joe is currently racing an RZ with a 421cc motor I originally built and I can assure you the Hybrid would beat the RZ every time as well as would several other bikes that regularly run Clubman.

 

Jim,
I suspected that adding all of the V-5 and V-6 bikes to clubman would not really alter the outcome. I like clubman since it allows all kind of bikes to mix it up. I agree that it would help boost the grids by giving some Saturday racers a reason to stay for Sunday. The current grids for clubman is pretty small. Last year at Blackhawk, since no vintage bikes showed up I ran Ltwt Solo 20 on Sat and Clubman, DSB and F2 on my Seca 550 and my FT500 on Sunday. I had a great time.

Personally, I don't think I will worry about running a vintage bike on Sunday, cause I picked up an SV for this season, but stuff happens and I like to keep my options open.

 

For what it's worth, I was running mid 41's at Barber practice on a 1977 CB750 with playing around with Jay Springsteen. I believe that is a V5 bike, not sure about Clubman.

Dave Crussel runs a TZ750 and he was running mid 40's at Barber in the races.

 

V1 and V2 SHOULD BE COMBINED absolutely, especially after the ABYSMAL turnout this year in those classes-