Orlando cop gets full disability for Pulse PTSD

My comments were simple -- you claims about "losses" were unsubstantiated. Not hard.
As for the rest of it, it appears you endorse the board's decision. One can only wonder what your opinion would be for a janitor being treated similarly.

 

Janitors see scary shit every day.

 

"your"

1) Without knowing what the job offer was, how could you even claim that? Do you know if it paid $70K/yr? Do you know if it included a pension? What the requirements and %'s are from that pension? (Yea, me neither.)
2) It "appears" that way because I have defended the existence of police & fire having an option available to them to go out on disability? LOL....Oh the travesty.

Lastly, your janitor example is a pretty low IQ type comparison, thanks for the chuckle, can't deny loving that actually came from you of all people.
When janitors are given the responsibility to protect and serve AND carry a weapon on each shift/tour....then you can make that example before that though, you're just trolling.

You DO get the difference right????
Would you have preferred/risked a LEO with a borderline mental health issue to still be allowed to carry his/her weapon for the remainder of their career, REALLY???
Cuz, with all due respect, you do come off as a hand-wringer on police matters.

 

No, but if you are physically or mentally unable to do a job, you find something you CAN do. To me it really is that simple. Of course, I despise the bloated, over sensitive protectionist bereaucracies that most service unions have become, also.

 

So you're telling me if you work for a company for say $75K/yr and you're there for a decade + (halfway to retirement since THAT position offered such a pension plan) and you're living life within your means, you buy a home, car, maybe even paying for private school for the kiddo's..... then something happens AT WORK which leads you to be disabled enough to not be able to perform your duties any longer.....so NOW, because your employer doesn't want you to file a disability claim, they offer you a 'greeter' position in the lobby. Something easy peasy that you can handle without any fuss....only problem is, it only pays $40K/yr and the new [different] pension requires you to work an additional dozen yrs over your anticipated retirement date and it's at a much lower %........no problem right, you'll take that job???

Cmon dude.

 

There's this thing called workmen's comp. Perhaps you've heard of it? It's what those of us in the private sector get raped on as business owners and employers, in addition to having to pay for all the tax-fed slugs and their emotional ouchies.

 

Same question back to XFBO, we don't know what job was offered, if there was a pay cut or reduction in benifits.

 

Awwwwww as opposed to YOUR never ending "emotional ouchies" about a profession you've never been too fond of???

You STILL seem to operate under the assumption that LEO's don't provide a 'service' to justify their pay/benefit package, you'll always be wrong about that. I know how cute it is to cruise by LEO's and mutter, I PAY YOUR SALARY in contempt of their existence but again, it is what it is. Get over it.

Nothing is gifted to this profession, it's not an easy one to begin with and contrary to what some fools think, they don't have a stampede of qualified candidates coming in for applications based on the benefit package they have today....IT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN, even with all those outrageously delicious benefits.....weird huh?
I guess a 20-30 yr stint in this field isn't nearly as awesome as many snowflakes with their daily "emotional ouchies" want everyone to think it is?

That's kinda been my point all along, we just don't know so why sit here bitching about not taking some job and his executing an option he had every right to?

Second, I can assure you the benefit package was not going to match what he was getting. There just aren't too many jobs left that offer retirement options at 20+ yrs.

But more importantly, I think the vast majority of people think this guy's 80% pension victory will be a further drain on their pockets (taxpayers) from now til he dies....which is NOT the case. Our pension system is essentially another version/layer of SS.....that's where his funding and all retirement funding comes from. If he scammed the system, he's screwing the actual members of that pension system MORE SO than the taxpayers. And AGAIN, HALF that pension system is funded by the member, who (again) is providing a service to his community. It's not FREE money like the FTP'ers will have you believe.

 

Like I have said before, I usually stick up for the cops but this one just seems like someone taking advantage of the system. If it is legit I say ya, he deserves his pension but how do you prove or disprove it? PTSD is very overused right now and this would be an easy way out for someone who was tired of the profession. Maybe I am the weird one but I just can not imagine a situation that would traumatize me so bad that I would need to quit my job. I have seen some pretty shitty stuff and ya it affected me but in the end I was just glad it was not me. If the blood, guts and gore were too much for the guy to handle then maybe there needs to be better psych evaluations to ensure that the officers are emotionally strong enough to deal with traumatic situations.

 

Man, I sure hope you're not interpreting my entire discussion in here as defense for this particular guy, I simply don't have an opinion cuz I'm not in a position to know the facts.....like the rest of you.

My SOLE defense is the mere existence of said pension and the benefits offered by it......some guys are using THIS [psych] disability to scorn the system, when the reality is the exact same beef can be made about every other type of police/fire disability as well.....afterall, as D'ern mentioned earlier, workman's comp exists....right?

 

That would be unreasonable but I seem to recall that NO ONE knew what any alternative positions would be from the article.

So alternatively what if the position was the same but you retained pay and senority?

 

Asked and answered above.

 

LOL. I actually thought you were defending this guy. I have no issues with pension, etc. It was negotiated and agreed upon and is indeed part of the compensation for the position. I just question the claim of PTSD over seeing an admittedly horrific crime scene.

 

The guy is a pussy and he's gaming the system. That's all I have to say.

 

Well, to be honest, I've never had a job with a "pension". I've had to take the personal funded and 401K route. As has been mentioned, since no-one knows what was offered, or the specifics thereof, it's a moot point. What I do think is that something smells fishy about the whole deal and the whole PTSD thing has become the out du jour. And, yes, I do have a BIL who is an officer over on the coast, and a co-workers son was IN the club during the massacre who, amazingly enough is just fine.

 

How is this any different than any other entitlement program? The working man screams "get a job!" at the guy who won't do minimum wage janitorial or fast food work because it's less money than his welfare and his family would suffer. Public sector union entitlement and the politicians cock gobbling the union's leaders all need to lose a few entitlements. So what that you did X job for 20 years and it was hard on you... we all out here sweatin and toiling every day trying to get ahead.

EDIT: so in summary, don't be a whiny "what about me" guy. Take the greeter position and greet the shit out of people. Cuz that's how a man handles business.

 

That sounds like a great deal to me. I've had about 8 jobs as an adult. Only two had a defined benefit pension plan. I spent a total of 21 years in those two plans combined, making base calculation money roughly equivalent to the officer's salary on average. I'll get no where near $17K/yr combined from the pension plans at age 64 when I start collecting. No health benefits come with these pensions, either.

The officer will get $16.8K /yr starting at age 47, for life. For 8 years service. That's a great pension.

Most large company private sector jobs no longer have defined benefit pension plans, but rather defined contribution plans, where the company puts in somewhere between 2 and 6% of your salary into a 401K type plan.

Not saying the officer's pension is or is not justified, but compared to what non-governmental workers get, it's damn good.

 

I actually hate 'defined' benefit plans. They are not as guaranteed as some think. My grandfather got royally screwed after 25 years on a 'pension' and got almost zero. Less likely as a cop as the state backs it. However a defined plan makes it easy to hide the true cost of a employee from the taxpayer as very few are 100% funded.

 

Most private sector pension plans are not fully funded, either. The benefit is not fully guaranteed. Some people get royally screwed when companies go under and strand their pension plans. Then the Pension Guaranty Corp ends up holding the bag, and often pays a fraction of the earned benefit.

But private plans generally on average are in better shape than the state plans that the states have intentionally underfunded for years.

 

Few? You mean, like zero?