Motoamerica silly season

And red flags and delays in a 200 are nothing new. We sat down long enough in 2011 for Latus to swap a motor because of the front tire fiasco and when the race restarted I think Barrett Long popped on the start and the 200 ended up being decided by a 15 lap sprint race that ended with that Knapp, Westby and Herrin pile-up at the stripe. Things happen. Lapped riders have always been a thing at Daytona and I didn't hear of any more issues with them this year than others.

 

In today's road racing climate in the US, if you judged a pro series based on the TV deal they had ...

 

I remember that race. Officials didn't even come close to following the rulebook on that deal, they were wingin' it. That was the biggest difference in 2015: MotoAmerica officials consistently followed what the applicable sections of the rulebook actually said, and applied the rules fairly no matter who was involved. That approach changed the entire vibe in the paddock.

 

Technically, seeing how the riders at the Daytona 200 can be considered Experts and they did engage in the activity in an attempt to make monetary gains, then, by definition. the race was a professional race.

Nowhere in there does it say someones SOLE source of income must be from a particular skill/trade/activity for one to be considered a "professional". For example, the TV repair man who is also a certified and experienced Plumber and does plumbing jobs on the side for extra income...he is considered a Professional Plumber, even though his main source of income is from repairing TVs.

Nowhere in there does it say the activity must be undertaken on live television.

Carry on.

 

One of the ways I look at it is this: if they would have taken my money and let me give it a try, it's a club race. (The opposite doesn't necessarily make it a professional race, but it's a good start.)

 

If there is money involved, it is a professional race to me

 

so novice solo's! lol..

 

I saw MotoAmerica racing on TV last year. I didn't see the 200 on TV.

 

John, what is Hammer and CU racing doing for next year?

 

Thanks, P.

 

Racing motorcycles. Details to follow.

 

I took pics of people sleeping in the infield stands waiting for it to be over.

 

It was on my TV last year. Hooked my laptop up to my TV and streamed it off Fanschoice. NOTHING wrong with streaming. I would rather have that then a wrap-up show on a channel that isn't even offered on my cable network.

 

when you come to the States... Ill take you to some drag strips. All kinds of money getting thrown around! You dont even need to own a bike to get some!

 

Professional racer = paid for services not results
Club Racer = may be paid but based on performance/ results aka winnings.

There are plenty of riders on Pro level equipment vying for professional status. I assume most do it hoping it's a temporary means to a paying end.

Pro or club is not defined by lap times.

Paid before the checkered flag is a Pro (Employed)
Paid after checkered only is a club racer. (self employed)

 

Technically Hayes, Baubier, Hayden, Herrin, pay an entry fee to race....

 

I doubt that very much.

 

You missed the point.
And technically the teams they ride for probably pay the entry fee.

 

Holy shit. This subject has been beated to death in numerous threads, probably since racing and forums began, and that is the most logical, reasonable definition I have ever seen. You might have actually solved if a bear shits in the woods.

The ONLY problem is the economy combined with the state of racing in the US. 6-7 years ago I would have said that is the perfect definition with no "holes" in it. But today there are few riders who are paid an actual salary, regardless of results. And there definitely some names on that non-salary list that i would consider Pro riders. But even with that being said, that definition makes more sense than any others I have seen, even mine.

Which, by that definition, means the event is irrelevent. The professional tag follows the racers, moreso than the event itself. In Hayes races in the Daytona 200, that doesnt necessarily make the 200 a Pro event, but Hayes is damn sure a Pro rider. Now, if we get 10 of those Pro riders battling it out for a huge purse, then it would be easy enough to say that is a Pro race...regardless of the sanctioning body. But that of course opens up another grey area and can of worms.