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Chernobyl

Discussion in 'General' started by SPL170db, May 12, 2019.

  1. CRA_Fizzer

    CRA_Fizzer Honking at putter!

    On episode 2. The arrogance/ignorance is amazing.

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  2. Resident Plarp

    Resident Plarp drittsekkmanufacturing.com

    Which reminds me, how are things going at Fukushima?
     
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  3. Big T

    Big T Well-Known Member

    Really good, actually
    The radiation levels are far lower than predicted in the environment
     
  4. auminer

    auminer Renaissance Redneck

    Question for the smart guys:

    The nuke physicist lady said that when the core hits the 7000 cubic meters of water that it would immediately vaporize every bit of it to steam, generating an explosion equivalent to between 2 & 4 megatons.

    How?

    7000 cubic meters of water is 1,850,000 gallons... even at 50C°, as the miners mentioned, that's 122F°, leaving 80F° plus latent heat of vaporization of a little over 15.4 million pounds of water.A cub of water 62' 8" on a side. What's the mass and heat content of this core?
     
  5. Motofun352

    Motofun352 Well-Known Member

    Way too many variables here for those of us who haven't seen the show. If the core is shut down the decay heat is many orders of magnitude too low to do anything like that. In a water moderated core, steam will shut the fission process down as well, even if it is previously critical. For very nominal numbers a typical large reactor operates at something like 3600 mega watts. 3.6X10e9 watts. There's no such thing as instantaneously so lets assume 1 second. That's only 10 KWH or about 3.4x10e7 BTU's. 1.85x10e6 gallons of water weighs about 1.5x10e7 lbs so the temperature would go up about 2 F degrees. You metric folks got to do your own math...:confused:
     
  6. Robby-Bobby

    Robby-Bobby Steeltoe’s Daddy

    Fucking nerds. Speak English.
     
  7. auminer

    auminer Renaissance Redneck

    Thanks for the numbers there. I didn't know those formulae.

    Chernobyl was a 1000 MW plant, but in this configuration, design parameters are being exceeded. :D

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    Shot of what the guys who went to look at the core saw. They lived a few minutes after seeing this. Perspective is hard to get, but this is on a walkway over the core, maybe 40-50 feet.

    Supposedly the core is headed for full on China Syndrome. RBMK so it's a big-ass stack of graphite with channels for rods & coolant. It's all ablaze at the bottom of the containment vessel. I would think the graphite would burn off. They're finding zirconium in the smoke cloud as they fly over in helicopters, so it's pretty damn hot. I guess it would boil down to (heheh) the thermal content of the core components that wouldn't burn off at ~3000°

    This show is NOT painting the nuke industry in a very good light, BTW.

    I know it's Soviet, and RBMK, and 33 years ago, but the public doesn't much distinguish WRT nukuler stuff.
     
    Last edited: May 23, 2019
  8. Resident Plarp

    Resident Plarp drittsekkmanufacturing.com

    People fear that which they don’t understand. eg. you can physically hold an ingot of plutonium, admire its warmth and show it to your friends without coming down with the cancer.

    I want one of those buried-in-the-backyard reactors that were designed back in the fifties!
     
  9. Motofun352

    Motofun352 Well-Known Member

    Just don't eat it.
     
  10. Motofun352

    Motofun352 Well-Known Member

    A 1000 MW(e) plant is actually about 3600 MW (thermal) allowing for inefficiencies in converting thermal power to electrical power. I don't know enough about graphite moderated reactors in full failure mode. Obviously the fire was the major contributor to the scale of the accident. No fire and most of that fission product would have stayed put as happened in TMI and Fuchishima. In the case of the F plant in Japan the H2 explosion was certainly dramatic but in itself didn't contribute to distribution of fission products the way the C fire did in Ukraine.
     
  11. stk0308

    stk0308 Well-Known Member

    Avoid the red FiestaWare, as I recall. Or was it orange?
     
  12. Jed

    Jed mellifluous

    per the wiki page:

    "Unlike western light-water reactors, the RBMK had a positive void coefficient of reactivity, meaning when water began to boil and produce voids in the coolant, the nuclear chain reaction increased instead of decreasing. With this feature at low reactor power levels, the No. 4 RBMK reactor was now primed to embark on a positive feedback loop, in which the formation of steam voids reduced the ability of the liquid water coolant to absorb neutrons, which in turn increased the reactor's power output."

    Power when it blew is estimated to have been 30,000mw.
     
  13. Resident Plarp

    Resident Plarp drittsekkmanufacturing.com

    I was going to say “just wash your hands.” Didn’t know we had to tell people not to eat metal.
     
  14. That is a bad assumption to make in today's world where people have to be told not to eat Tide Pods.
     
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  15. There was a time not that long ago when people thought that sitting in radium mines would cure migraine headaches.
     
  16. Motofun352

    Motofun352 Well-Known Member

    I guess it depends on your definition of "cure".....Headaches would certainly be the least of your worries.
     
  17. RossK6

    RossK6 Grid Filler

    Jeez - just started watching this, as I sit ~30 miles away from my local nuclear power plant.
     
  18. auminer

    auminer Renaissance Redneck

    As I understand the issue you're talking about, it boils down to Soviet mindset.

    The State signed off on the design of the Chernobyl reactors.

    The State is a perfect, infallible entity.

    Since the state signed off on the reactor design, then the reactor is an infallible entity by proxy.

    Even if the designers knew about the possibility of a positive void coefficient, that would be an example of fallibility, which is not possible. Therefore there was nothing in the training manuals dealing with positive void coefficients.

    Spooky...
     
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  19. Past Glory

    Past Glory I still have several AVON calendars from the 90's

    What a depressing episode.
     

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