Runoff at NCM Motor Sports Park.

Agreed

 

I agree also. I too rode there last month and with some changes the track will be fine for racing. The management seemed very eager to receive feedback so that's a positive start. I don't think it will happen next year but hopefully the year after, it would be nice to add another track close to home.

 

Layout looks extraordinary but walls are aweful close in many spots. Hopefully the realestate is there to move things around a bit! Sweet track!

 

That doesn't even look that bad compared to what castrol raceway did up here.

 

What is the definition of a safe wall on the outside of a track?

I'll start. If a rider were to leave the racing surface, a wall should only be placed at a point after where the average rider could safely come to a stop using his rear brake.

I'm not saying I agree with this. I just threw it out there to get started.

 

Why, yes.... yes it would be.

 

Gotcha. You look at it more as if after the tumble has started.

 

I was watching the construction of that track beginning of the year going up to the museum and knew it looked good but no idea THAT good! Looks like some serious places to stretch the legs on bike and cars and a lot more elevation changes than I had thought. Very nice!

 

My wife and I both rode the track last month at a Private day and the management of the track is very interested in hearing suggestions about making the track safer for motorcycles, and in fact will be doing work over the winter months to facilitate that. I personally really enjoyed the track and look forward to returning there next year.

 

The 1 part of the track that has me scratching my head is the "sinkhole". We didn't run it and I'm not sure who will. It has a large and sudden drop off elevation change mid-corner. The mid-corner aspect of the hill crest makes it different from others like the Corkscrew.

Cars will lose the rear and spin easily. An older 911 might be next to impossible, perhaps why they put it on the Corvette track lol. Motorcycles would have a massive pucker factor every lap. Perhaps Karts can use it? It looks real cool and was fun on a bicycle

Best lap time I've seen with evidence was 1:54 on a GPS lap timer. This was Monday after the weekend of track days and racing. The neatest experience was sliding along a track so smooth I thought I lost my knee puck and was on the suit Velcro.

 

Yes that Monday was kick friggin Ass...

 

That poor bike looks to be screaming for mercy.

Sorry Marc, couldn't resist. LOL

 

It's for sale!! Buy it John!

 

Man, I finally got rid of my last bike this year. Going to see Scott at Barber yesterday started to bring back good memories of track days again, but then remembering the perfect day at Barber yesterday compared with the 100+ degree days sweating my ass off at Road A and Little Tally cured me of that quickly. That, and my self employed insurance rates.

One day I'd like to get back at it again but going to be a bit. Getting something new?

 

yup.. that was Dustin Boyd on his 636..

 

1:54? I'd really like to see it. People I was there with in roughly the same league as dustin were doing more like 2:04's..a few 2:03's. I've yet to see a video faster than a 2:03 and those are from front running experts on 1k's. Pretty much all A group videos I have seen, and I've watched all I can find, are high :06's to :12's.

 

Wish Watkins Glen would rip out all of the armco...too much to be motorcycle friendly.

 

Here are the race results from the first weekend the track opened to motorcycles (Race results towards bottom of page after the trackday lap times):
http://midwestcaferacing.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/NCM-Sun-Complete.pdf

I'm a back marker 1k (ZX-10R) expert compared to the fast guys and I did a 2:01 there that weekend, and on beat-up/torn slicks, completely fresh to the track. For comparison on my pace, I do a 1:34-1:35 at Barber and Road Atlanta. Sorry no video posted up though, I don't think I had my camera mounted.

Most fun track I've ridden though, hoping to go back there with WERA some time.

 

It's completely possible. I was there last weekend, no video, but was running 2:03's and 4's on worn out takeoffs from Tally and didn't get that many free laps since I was coaching. That is on a 750. I think with a few more laps and fresher tires sub 2 is entirely possible on my 750. I'm far from the fastest guy out there, I do 34's and 35's at Barber.