Honda continuing to nail the coffin shut ...

on 2t ! Is this another Moriwaki, or however it is spelled ?

http://www.motorcycleshows.com/media/honda-nsf250r-coming-us

an associate from WERA vintage is purchasing one of those, but he does have a barnfull of sweet 2 strokes , I'm certain !
I was just lamenting the continuing demise of the 2t GP bikes, when I read this ... just wait until we get direct injection ! And get the AMA straightened out on classes/displacement structure ! :down:

 

Far from it!

 

Just what every newbie needs, a $28,000, low power, starter bike.

 

Still way overpriced.

 

Seriously?

 

Compared with prices of TZ and RS 125's

For comparison;

NEW 2009 production year
2003 spec Yamaha TZ125. . . . BIKE w/setup kit: $13,500 approx
NEW 2009 production year
2004 spec Honda RS125 . . BIKE w/spares kit: $12,500.00 approx

MSRP for the NSF250R has been established at $28,599.

How about some power comparison's; Anybody have those figures?

 

Yes, the problem is relative value.

We all know 2Ts aren't coming back. Lamentable, be we're understand. Having to pay double for worse performance is what annoys, however.

If something is demonstrably superior, well I guess we have to pay up. When it's definitely way slower than a 2T 250 for about the same cost, and probably slower than a 2T 125 for more than double I'm not surprised people are pissed.

 

Pricey, no doubt, but no one ever said racing was cheap. It only gets more expensive the higher up the ladder you go. Will Moto3 fulfill its promise as a ladder step towards MotoGP? Unless you are a Moto2, Moto3, AMA Superbike or WSB champion you probably won't be invited to MotoGP. This bike is pricey compared to a used AMA Superbike but building and developing a new AMA Supersport or Superbike is still probably more expensive.

 

you're not getting it. that bike is NOT meant to be competitive on a moto3 grid at that price. it IS the direct replacement for an RS125 gp bike, meant for kids racing in national competition, and as the BASIS for what you might find on a moto3 grid.

and the price is fucking lunacy. easy on the kool aid.

vince

 

really? enlighten us.....

imo, it's a razor thin line between that thing and a mori.

it has an RS125 gearbox and a yamaha dirtbike engine layout. OOOOO and Nikasil plated cylinders!!!

vince

 

and since i'm not goin to type it all out again, i think my position is clear enough from this:
http://www.usgpru.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10145

vince

 

i guess we'll see if they're worth the price come next year when some brave soul buys one and brings it out for the Moto3 USGPRU races.

 

What does the "S" in "MSRP" stand for?

 

Yes really...but I am not going to waste my time trying to convince you Vince. You are a Honda and 4T hater anyway so why worry about it. You go and pay $27K (according the RSC) for a brand new TZ250 if you can find one. There is so much misinformation and speculation about the new bike in the other thread, I am not going to waste my time getting into it. You really should try and inform yourself a little better before you start "spewing"!

 

sorry i'm a waste of your time.

no, i am not a honda fan. no, i am not a 4T fan. but, i would think you would know me well enough by now to know that i am a huge enthusiast of GP bikes. and the NSR250, as obscene as the price may be imo, is a GP bike.

sure wish you would help me understand. your silence just reinforces my current opinion.

vince