For the FTP's amongst us

LOL....coming from you, policing isn't that big of a deal either.

You simplified how leo's are qualified to carry a rifle, so I'm asking you to share what the average dept does to justify handing them out, what's their process like??? Not all the guys in here are as well versed in policing as you are, do share???

 

Frank you old cock knocker you, how the fuck you been?

 

Here’s what should be the issue. Innocents lost their lives because a couple of assholes hijacked a UPS truck.

That’s the true root cause of the loss of life.

Weapon type used is completely not relevant. It’s a diversion. Bullets come out of a handgun and a rifle at the same velocity. Which is fast enough to tear up flesh and bone. A rifle is just more accurate over a greater distance.

Innocents unfortunately lost their lives due to the complex nature of the scenario. Fortunately the police were able to stop the situation before more people were hurt or maybe killed. A civilian in their vehicle should be hailed as hero providing cover with their vehicle for the officers involved.

 

Umm, no.

 

Holy shit!

 

Um yeah.

You’re the only one defending your fucked up biased position. Nobody’s agreeing with you. Think about that.

There’s a lot of very smart guys that enjoy debate in here. Nobody’s joining your side.


Chew on that.

 

It's a dog eat dog world out here and I'm wearing milk-bone underwear, these days.

Recently moved again (just up the road) and I am now prepping the other place as a rental property.....
In other words, I've been stressing like a mofo for the last few months. If all that wasn't enough my mf'ing table saw attacked me last friday, 5 stitches and one mangled thumbprint later, I'm doing ok! Hope all is well with you and the girls???

 

Coming from me? You should have stayed in your hole. We’ve been through this before and it’s clear you don’t know a fucking thing about firearms or training. If I remember correctly, you were all excited to get one of those 22LR AR clones S&W makes so you could learn how to shoot AFTER a career in law enforcement I shouldn’t be surprised, mall security doesn’t really need a rifle.


But to answer your question, every dept is a little different although most are going to do a few hours of familiarity work in the classroom followed by some time punching paper on the range. The better ones might cover things like shooting from cover, tactical reloads, etc, but most of that carries over from sidearm training. Then once a test they’ll requalify.

It’s not exactly rocket surgery. The AR platform is pretty user friendly.

 

Whether these smart guys join my side about whether the police were right or wrong, anybody who has a fucking clue about firearms (obviously not mongo or blast) will agree with me in telling you that you’re totally wrong about pistol vs rifle projectile velocities and subsequent lethality.

It’s laughable that you think that and your ignorance of the subject totally discounts any other argument you may think you have.

 

From that distance. A fatal shot is a fatal shot.

From 100 yards. Different story maybe.

 

Girls are great! Excited as fuck for Christmas. Can’t believe they’re going to be 4 and 8.

How’s your brood doing? Adjusting well to hillbilly living?

 

Also no

 

THIS^^^ is about as accurate as your take on LE matters 9 out of 10x....LMAO! You are the epitome of a clown, a goof, a real life buffoon.

I suspected your VAST experience in LE would have yielded such a simpleton answer........and again, you are wrong BUT I'm going to give you an out cuz you have soooo many friends in LE, right??? So name that Dept???

So from one side of your mouth, you're bashing LE Agencies for their recklessness of passing out these HIGH POWERED RIFLES to inexperienced handlers then from the other, it's not rocket surgery??? Par for the course coming from YOU! LOL

So which agency hands out AR's after "a few hours of familiarity work in the classroom followed by some time punching paper on the range" which could easily be described as ONE DAY's worth of training, if that????

 

Yeah. A rifle shot may go through and through.

I handgun is slower. It would just bounce around in the torso in a center mass shot fragment and rip vital organs.

rifle is def more dangerous in short range.

 

Oof.

Just stop.

 

As it should be! I warned you after the first, to enjoy them cuz the years would fly by, didn't I???

Kids are great, they're doing very well in school which is all that really matters to me right now. My girl got her driver's permit earlier this yr and her brother thinks he's got life figured out at 13yrs of age.

 

Just shut up. You’re a fucking joke and know nothing. You had some cush job riding a desk or milking OT and never did shit, yet you pretend to be the ultimate expert on all things LE and the biggest blue balllicker on the fucking planet.

I never bashed anyone for issuing the rifles. I countered the guy that acted like only super special cops got them, when the reality is that they’re in damn near every patrol car in the country unless you’re a total fuckup, and like most things LE, the training just isn’t that great because most cops will go a whole career never having fired a shot in anger.

 

From a PoliceOne article about pistol vs rifle:


3. HIGH-VELOCITY RIFLE ROUNDS ARE FAR MORE LETHAL THAN HANDGUN ROUNDS
FBI firearms training expert Urey Patrick (now retired) authored a wound ballistics training treatise while serving as a firearms instructor at the FBI Academy.[1]

In the treatise, Patrick explained that the goal of an officer involved in a gunfight must be to end the encounter as quickly as possible. He points out that the only way to immediately end a gunfight is to shoot an adversary directly in the brain or upper spinal cord (i.e. the central nervous system). Absent a direct hit to this critical area, the only other way to end a gunfight by bullet wound is through the circulatory collapse of the adversary from massive blood loss.

Circulatory collapse results from significant blood loss with a corresponding deprivation of oxygen to the brain. Circulatory collapse does not happen immediately. Rather it is a process that can take several seconds to several minutes or even longer. During that time an officer’s adversary will remain functional and able to continue efforts to kill the officer. In fact, Patrick reports that a bullet wound that destroys a suspect’s heart will permit him to continue to shoot at an officer for 10 to 15 seconds after receiving a fatal bullet wound.[2]

Patrick reports that handgun rounds will cause a permanent cavity (i.e., a hole caused by bullet destruction of body tissue) along the length of the bullet’s path through the body. The width of the permanent cavity will include the diameter of the bullet plus any expansion capability of the bullet nose, e.g. hollow point round.[3]

Absent a direct hit of a major organ or major blood carrying artery or vessel, the handgun round strike is highly unlikely[4] to cause massive bleeding and circulatory collapse.[5]

Patrick reports that “arring central nervous system hits, there is no physiological reason for an individual to be incapacitated by even a fatal wound, until the blood loss is sufficient to drop blood pressure and … the brain is deprived of oxygen.”[6] This will permit the officer’s adversary to continue deadly mayhem upon all in the kill zone for several seconds, minutes or longer.

Patrick instructs that the velocity of handgun rounds is not sufficient to cause damage outside of the permanent bullet wound track, i.e., little or no temporary wound cavity damage to tissue, blood vessels or organs located outside the permanent track.[7]

Likewise, lower handgun velocity will result in bullets remaining essentially intact, i.e., no fragmentation. [8] This lack of temporary wound cavity damage and lack of bullet fragmentation is highly significant in permitting an officer’s adversary to continue aggressive deadly action against the officer.

High-velocity rifle rounds fired from an AR-15 rifle for example cause devastating injury to the bullet’s recipient. The bodily wounds caused by an AR-15 rifle wound are significantly more serious than the wounds caused by any modern handgun rounds.

Dr. Peter Rhee, a trauma surgeon at the University of Arizona reports that a high velocity rifle round fired from an AR-15 will cause a body wound that “looks like a grenade went off in there.”[9]

The .223 (NATO 5.56) rounds fired from an AR-15 contain so much Kinetic Energy that it can literally disintegrate 3 inches of human leg bone.[10]

Dr. Donald Jenkins a trauma surgeon at the University of Texas Health Center, San Antonio, states that this round will “just turn [a human leg bone] to dust and the human liver to “Jell-O mold that’s been dropped on the floor.”[11] He likewise reports that these rounds can cause exit wounds the size of an orange.[12]

The dramatic differences in wound damage from high-velocity rifle rounds in comparison with handgun rounds are caused by the velocity of the rifle rounds and the corresponding kinetic energy from those rounds deposited into the human body upon impact.[13]

Suffice it to say that there is no comparison between wound damage caused by high-velocity rifle rounds and modern handgun rounds. The high-velocity rifle rounds are far more lethal. Trauma surgeons can immediately recognize whether they are dealing with high velocity rifle wounds or semi-auto pistol wounds.

 

LMAO!!! Soooo articulate!!! I'm the fucking joke? But yet, YOU got all the answer to these LE incidents!?!?!? You're about as accurate and believable as the Liberals in Congress.

Ahhh hahahaaa, so the all knowing Ron Young couldn't back up his talk and show us which Dept's issue AR's as simply as your low IQ brain suggested earlier?!?!?!? That's what I thought, genius.

 

Oh boy! He’s fired up now! He went full fucktard.


Yeah. Ballistics ant my forte. But I know enough to know either is going to do significant damage from that short distance.