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Agreed.

Also agree and that's why I have said over and over again they cannot be given a break. All of the exact same requirements other than maybe issuing tampons/pads as part of their gear...

Doesn't make a difference, if a soldier is qualified they should be given the shot.

There is no rational reason to omit them either. Not having a dick isn't remotely the same as being too tall/too short/too fat/color blind/whatever.

 

Um, bad assumption on your part.

Attaining knowledge isn't all that difficult either.

 

Actually I get my information from people in the special forces, more Rangers and other forces stationed on the east side of the country but some Seals. No, they don't walk around bragging about what they've done or where they've been but it's not hard to figure it out. It's not like they all stay in hiding while in or after they're off active duty and as you might expect, many of them kind of like an adrenaline rush like the one you get from say...racing?

It's great you have all of that experience. You also have a certain very limited mindset because of it. You start with an assumption that women can't do it and then go from there. You're not remotely being objective about it.

I don't know what type of women you've been around all your life but I've known a number who were more than tough enough mentally to do the job. Physically maybe not but that varies just as it does with men. Not even allowing them to try is something I don't get. Seems the real issue is you're afraid you might actually be wrong, then where would you be as the big bad tough male who can do things those lesser beings can't?

 

The job is actually on you to show how they aren't...

 

Agreed, and I don't think there are many women out there who could hack it - but there aren't many men who can either.

 

I fully expect the people running the special forces do consider options. But I also know that a military and a male mindset is in large part "it works, don't fuck with it". I also think a huge issue is the higher ups pushing for lower limits for women - and that is pure and utter bullshit. Don't change the requirements for anyone for any reason.

You still have yet to post a single viable reason why allowing women to try would serves any purpose. If they're as weak and uncapable as you keep insisting then they'll never make it, so why the freakout over allowing them to try?

Your analogy is just idiotic BTW.

 

That scenario to me is unacceptable.

 

I'm going to guess you think there have never been gay men in combat....

 

I'm not saying all people in those units are - I am saying YOU are. I am saying Nigel is. Because so far all of your arguments are based on just their sex, not any facts of any sort.

 

And here we have a perfect example of your knuckle dragging idiocy - you don't want a women - no matter how qualified - to take a mans spot on a team.

No one on here is remotely advocating a reserved spot so stop saying that. No one here is remotely advocating females get some sort of preferred treatment or lowered requirements so stop saying that. No one is arguing that the ranger bullshit wasn't bullshit if the requirements were lowered. Duh, of course it's bullshit.

I'd love an actual answer to this - do you have a single reason why a woman should be excluded if every single requirement is the same other than having a dick? Don't start ranting about lowered requirements or going off about weaker women. I'm not disagreeing with you on those things at all. You're right, they shouldn't get special treatment. So what's your answer?

 

And generalizing like that shows you to be an idiot I give you as an example of a male who can be outdone in a huge number of things by females as proof...

 

Yep. Most of the ones I know disagree with allowing women - but most of that is based on them believing (and rightly so) the politicians will force them to accept candidates who can't pass the current training. If the question is posed as I asked wmh they are a lot more willing to accept it as being viable- although there is a lot of the whole "it works don't fuck with it" responses too.

 

Well lets break it down - do you think women could physically and mentally do the job of a special forces team member? Yes or no. No long winded bullshit.

I have never expected my opinion to be relevant to anyone other than me. I am engaging in this more because it amuses me to point out the ridiculousness of your arguments than anything else. You keep arguing things that have nothing remotely to do with womens abilities and everything to do with your own mindset.

So I'll ask again - yes or no - are there women who could pass the current training without any change in requirements for them?

 

You want me to list every racer I've ever known who was in a special forces unit? Not only no but fuck no

 

I call bullshit

Totally agree and I have a question on this one - do all soldiers have the option to try out for it?

How does that work? If they want to go after it and they meet the initial requirements, what keeps them out?

I've already addressed most of the rest or it was just a duh kind of thing that is of course true.