Another Boeing 737 Max-8 crash

Intentional act.

 

Sure looks like it based on that data. Only other thing that makes sense is a stall/spin that was briefly recovered from followed by another stall by over correcting without altitude to get it fixed the second time.

 

Would their pre-dive airspeed and altitude stability rule that out?

 

That data isn't shown. We have no idea what their airspeed was based on that pic.

 

The DFDR and DCVR will tell the true story. Everything else is pure speculation.

Anyone hear that they have been recovered?

 

No need. Apparently, it's already been determined in here that the pilots had full control of the airplane. So it's either incompetence or intentional. Either way, no need to investigate.

 

DCVR found, and appears to have survived impact.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinese-search-second-black-box-crashed-jet-2022-03-24/

 

But, since China, will we ever know what really happened?

Lastest is they will invite US investigators in...but with visa, quarantine issues will the NTSB or Boeing send anyone?

One site said they had 3 pilots on the flight deck. One new guy was there to learn had...wait for it....556 hours.

Also reading they did find a piece of plane like 10kn from crash site so????

 

^^^ This

 

After I initially saw the video, I thought it had just gone straight down, but that Flight Radar image shows there was at least an effort to recover. Given the speed they had to be going in the initial descent, Gino's point about them causing an airframe failure in trying to recover, seems more plausible. Now it's just down to what caused the initial loss of altitude. Someone mentioned that Air France flight with the pitot tube issue that I think went down in the Southern Atlantic, which IIRC broke the tail off trying to maneuver. Seems Airbus is more prone to that, or does Boeing now have similar issues? Lastly, this was a 737-800NG? I know why the MAX needed MCAS, but it seems the engines on the NG are way far forward as well. Is there a big difference in engine type and configuration between the NG and MAX?

 

Had to be a structural failure wouldn’t you think? Hopefully Boeing gets to look at the data. Airliners just don’t come anywhere close to a flight regime where you could lose control. The level of incompetence to do that would really be special. A single major failure or a sequence of smaller events.

 

As far as I recall, that plane was perfectly flyable until it hit the water. They basically kept it in a stalled condition all the way down.

 

Correct. AF447.

They had some pitot's that would ice up in flight and give bad readings. The guy that crashed it was pretty junior and held the side stick back all the way to water. Even though the other guy tried to lower the nose and recover from the stall.

Reading that narrative is a real head shaker.

 

That's both a long and short 1:52 to contemplate your demise.
RIP.

 

That's downright amazing that it survived.

 

Maybe it was that East Coast flight back around 9/11? Wake turbulence, and tore the tail off?

 

The FO tore the tail off of that American 330 departing JFK. It wasn’t the turbulence.

 

Sorry, what's "FO". ?

 

First Officer
Flying Object
French Officer

 

I guess what I was originally asking, was aren't some Airbus more susceptible to that kind of thing, than Boeing products? I thought 330 had a composite tail.