Another Boeing 737 Max-8 crash

just crazy still image from someone's dashcam:

 

My wife informed me that before takeoff there was a passenger that wasn't allowed on board due to some COVID protocol or something.

I wonder what kind of mental state that person is in.. Survivors guilt can be a real terrible thing.

 

looks like they got the nose up for 20 seconds after that big drop. were they able to get it back up? possibly a fight in the cockpit?

 

Unless someone specifically flew that into the ground isn't it just time to put this particular model plane on the ground and leave it there?

 

Careful, you'll make Southwest pilots head explode with a comment like that.

Overall it's a great airplane, but Boeing has put 10lbs of shit in a 5lb bag with that airframe. They really needed to design a new plane instead of coming up with the Max.

 

Boeing has built over 10,000 737's of various models since the 60's. Most incidents/crashes have been to due human error. Overall they are very safe when flown by trained and competent crew.

So no I dont think so.

My money on this one is on shit Chinese Maintenance or shit Chinese flying skills, not something wrong with the 737-800.

Here a list in case your interested...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_the_Boeing_737

 

To be clear not all 737's just this particular MAX variant. I am aware 737s have been in service for a long time without much issue.

 

As stated previously, the mishap aircraft was NOT a MAX variant.
Mishap aircraft was a 737-800 (aka 737NG). Nearly 5,000 737-800s have been delivered since the first was delivered in 1998.

This particular ship (Reg. B-1791) had been in service since June 2015.

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And the Max is fine.

If you dont let stupid goat F*(&^#ing morons fly it.

 

That would be like banning all Ducati 1199s after a bad crash because a couple of Panigales also crashed three years ago.

 

Lol that's not true, the crashes had nothing to do with the pilots. The Max is now a safe airplane but at the time it was released, it was a huge hazard. Required redundancies were ignored by Boeing and pilots were not given proper (read: any) training on the MCAS system. The pilots were never told that the system even existed. Even if they had been trained on it, it was almost impossible to regain control of the aircraft in time after a single AOA sensor went bad, causing MCAS to put the plane into a dive. Any way you look at it, it was a disaster. It has now been remedied and as far as I can tell is a very safe aircraft. I would say the Lion Air crash was partially the airline's fault due to shoddy maintenance but that was still an avoidable crash if Boeing had put in the necessary redundancies. The Ethi Airlines crash was 100% Boeing's fault though, not the pilots or the airline.

This crash is completely unrelated, as others have stated. I obviously don't know the cause of it, but the 737-800 doesn't have the MCAS system.

 

You should have let Boeing know before they wasted all that money making the changes.

 

You’ve been watching Netflix, haven’t you?

 

Fixed.

Fixed again.

Once again....if the pilots flying the plane had followed the runaway trim checklist and deactivated the stab trim...problem solved.

I will give you 1 thing though...they should have made dual AOA sensors a base item and not an option. Because failure of an AOA or Pitot tube has never caused a 121 class plane to crash. Airbus/Air France I'm looking at you.

So I'll give you Boeing is 1% at fault due tot hat single point failure.

 

New and Improved! Now with less MCAS! Now less chance Goat F*$#^&G pilots will kill you!

They can just roll that money into the marketing budget.

 

That, or I work for a Boeing subcontractor.

 

Yeah you're right. It's almost like if Boeing had given the pilots proper training then this wouldn't have happened.

I see your point, but if you haven't had any simulator time and had never experienced a problem like this, you're not going to be prepared for a situation like this. In hindsight it's obviously an easy solution but when you're in the pilot seat and the plane starts nosing down, by the time you realize what's happening and start going through the checklist there's not going to be a lot of time to regain control. I have no experience with Lion Air but I know first hand that Ethiopian Airlines takes their quality and safety seriously so if it can happen to them it can happen to any airline.

 

This forum could save companies billions if they just gave us the chance

 

Germanwings?