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N2 split from WERA?

Discussion in 'General' started by Gino230, Sep 30, 2024.

  1. kenessex

    kenessex unregistered user

    So what will be the advantage to N2 or, more importantly, the racers, with the split from WERA?
     
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  2. kenessex

    kenessex unregistered user

    What is your point? ERA became WERA, WERRA, WERA. etc. simple name changes to the same organization that has existed for a long time. I first raced with ERA, too and Peter's wife's name was Patty. Trivia time- Her name was Patty O'Brien Frank and her father was Dick O'bBien of H-D racing manager fame.
     
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  3. 27

    27 Well-Known Member

    As you know the water is fine jump on in… grab a chair and yell at the kids to get off the lawn :D back in our day…
     
  4. Wheel Bearing

    Wheel Bearing Professional low sider

    Sugar daddy was needed.
     
  5. 27

    27 Well-Known Member

    Who’s the sugar daddy?
     
  6. 88/532

    88/532 Simply Antagonistical

    We get it dawg. You’re defending Mama Bear, and that’s your job.
     
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  7. Wheel Bearing

    Wheel Bearing Professional low sider

    Well it wasn't WERA.
     
  8. 27

    27 Well-Known Member

    I’m well aware of MA’s sugar daddy structure and despise it… didn’t know the N2 situation was similar…
     
  9. tawzx12r

    tawzx12r Influencer to none

    Straight out of the ASRA rulesbook...

    -If a rider has entered multiple machines in the event, it is the riders responsibility to either transfer the transponder between machines and assure that it is securely fastened, or to fit each machine with its own transponder. Failure to comply with this rule could result in disqualification at the discretion of the Race Director or Referee.-

    As you stated above... the rule was intended to keep you from Qualifying on a bigger displacement bike and then moving that ESU to a lower class machine.

    You can swap the ESU between bikes as long as the two bikes are classed together....
    HW to HW, MW to MW etc...
     
  10. Knarf Legna

    Knarf Legna I am not Gary Hoover

    Anything can change after inspection, the point is that before the bike is allowed on track the organization makes an effort to check it for safety compliance with the rulebook. Every racing organization from club racing to MotoGP does pre-race tech. Formula 1, NASCAR, you name it.

    Aside from compliance there is a benefit, it makes the rider aware of requirements that they may not have known. And it provides the opportunity to educate riders on the proper way to do things like safety wire, transponder placement, etc. Class compliance can be checked and the rider can be advised of things that are illegal for their entries. It establishes a checkpoint in the event of an ontrack incident caused by mechanical failure. It's not useless.
     
  11. Knarf Legna

    Knarf Legna I am not Gary Hoover

    Back in the Kevin Elliott days we did post-qualifying inspection of every bike in the Q session, if you didn't report directly to tech after coming off track your Q times were DQed. If your bike was illegal for the class you were DQed. Wasn't easy to cheat and didn't rely on grid marshals to recognize a bike not eligible for the class.
     
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  12. tawzx12r

    tawzx12r Influencer to none

    Wera is still in the dark ages killing trees with all the papaerwork.

    Standing in two different lines waisting over an hour even if you pre register. Why? Because you're still using paper.

    Often Wera doesn't have the personal available to even staff the two lines at the same time so why not eliminate one of them.
     
  13. voss555

    voss555 Well-Known Member

    That rule is written to avoid a situation that rarely happens, and rarely happens intentionally, and could easily be remedied at track entrance- if its LW qualifying and someone rolls up to pit zero on a R6 track officials stop the rider and say WTF. And even if someone qualifies on their R1 for Middleweight Supersport who cares.

    What they are missing here is that they are losing race entries with this. We have multiple class bikes we could bring any given weekend. I'm not going to buy a $500 transponder to run a couple more races.
     
  14. tawzx12r

    tawzx12r Influencer to none

    This I liked.
    It cut down on the amount of protests and removed the pressure of a fellow racer having to play police only to have the finger pointed back at them.
     
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  15. tawzx12r

    tawzx12r Influencer to none

  16. HPPT

    HPPT !!!

    I would add to this that even though the inspection doesn't guarantee that the bike will still be compliant by the time it gets to the grid, it helps distinguish a bike that can be compliant from one that can't. It's a lot easier to put safety wire back in after swapping wheels if the proper bolts are drilled than if they are not. You don't know who will do things by the book when they leave tech, but you sure know who won't.
     
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  17. Knarf Legna

    Knarf Legna I am not Gary Hoover

    I've heard that ASRA may be facing a lawsuit for the fatality at Summit. You can bet that pre-race inspection will be an important consideration if it goes to court.
     
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  18. Knarf Legna

    Knarf Legna I am not Gary Hoover

    Again back in the Kevin Elliott days transponders were assigned to riders, not the bike. You could swap your transponder between your bikes and get scored correctly. You could not share your transponder with another rider.
     
  19. voss555

    voss555 Well-Known Member

    Back to the original topic... what sucks for us is travelling 12 plus hours one way for 1 race. The current setup was really nice, if we weren't in a hurry we could run sprints on Sunday.
     
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  20. rd400racer

    rd400racer Well-Known Member

    I pre-register for most races and have never waited more than 10 minutes, even at Mid Ohio in July when they had record turnout.
     

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