MotoGP | 2023 | Pre-Season

Timeline says their eggs are all turds.

Was surprised to see MM use the language he used.

He must be pissed!

 

Did you see the video of Rins, shaking his head like WTF is this POS

 

I saw that, but couldn't remember his number, so I wasn't sure it was him.

He definitely got the worst end of the Suzuki departure. At least Mir is on the factory team, and most likely with a factory payroll.

 

I think it was actual Pol, lol. he didn't look happy

 

lol ducati delivering millers crew chief to ktm

 

Pol was very happy! He came in dancing and fist pumping after his first session.

 

I’m inclined to agree, but until he actually does it, it’s speculative. Rossi and Casey actually did it.

Fwiw, I’ve become more a MM fan over the last couple years (after seeing him struggle with adversity), than I was previously (when everything seemed to come easily for him). I think he’s grown as a person and a rider and really shown his mettle. I want to see him take on the challenge of riding another bike.

 

well ok then...mis-read that, guess he was excited to be off the POS Honda, but I don't think he'll finish much better than 10th regularly.

 

Yea!!!!

I am off the career killer and back home with KTM of another color.

 

I have no idea did he want to go or was he forced out by Ducati as well?

 

Rossi was the first to start the trend, but a lot of times riders will take their crew chief with them

 

I would offer the counter-argument that Marquez made it more difficult for himself by sticking with Honda. Do you think he would have been GOATer by switching to Ducati when it clearly became a winning machine again?

Mick Doohan switched back screamer engines after dominating on big-bang engines just to mind fuck the competition. Do you think his legacy would've been more impressive by switching to a big-bang Yamaha instead? I think that the actual bike matters more in making those assessments than the sticker on the gas tank.

Just my opinion.

They both are factory bike riders with Honda contracts. Just the team is different. I would say he might be better off than his former teammate. Friendly family atmosphere on the team and much less media scrutiny.

 

I don't know the specifics of this case but I would guess that there is a 90% chance that Ducati would have preferred to keep him. A lot of times, when the riders change teams, the hold in signing their contract is the extended negotiation to bring crewmembers with them.

 

Good thought.

But Honda has won like 15 of the last 32 championships. Yamaha 13, Suzuki and Ducati 2 each. Historically, there is no precedent for riders jumping from Honda or Yamaha because they perceive one of the other bikes to be dominant over the short term. The overwhelmingly established precedent is that riders stay at a winning team, particularly at Honda and Yamaha, as long as they can.

The fact that only 2 riders have won championships with different manufacturers in the last 23 years (while 6 others have won with a single manufacturer), speaks to the difficulty of doing so.

 

Yeah, but how many of the six were able to repeat as they stayed with the same manufacturer? I think it's winning multiple championships that's difficult, not so much doing it on different brands.

 

Another good point.

Of the 4 who won multiple, 2 (Rossi and Casey) did it on different bikes, and 2 (Lorenzo and Marquez) on the same.

Interesting observation just occurred to me - the pairings (Rossi/Casey and Lorenzo/Marquez) each have 9 MotoGP titles between them.

 

Throw Pedrosa in there and that is the pinnacle of MotoGP racing.

 

I feel your ignoring Eddie Lawson(jumped from Yamaha where he won 3 championships, two in a row. Then he went to Honda for 1 year, where he won a championship), and to a certain extent discounting Rossi(jumped from Honda to Yamaha, won championships on back to back).

 

Winning multiple championships on different brands is certainly more impressive. Once you've got one brands model to your liking, I would consider it easier than making different brand models achieve a championship.