I need a new handgun...lets talk guns today. :D

Thanks for the clarification, cause when people start taking about Trusts, I tend to automatically think in the context of Estates and Last Will and Testament kind of stuff.

 

I got a chance to get my dirty digits on an Atlas Athena today. I didn’t get to shoot it, but just having it in my hands……Daddy Like!!!!!

I now can’t wait for mine to show up even more!

 

I ordered the accurizing kit. Hopefully it's here and I can install it before next weekend.

 

Don't quote me on this but I believe a way around this is to add them to the trust after the fact. I'm not an attorney nor did I stay at a holiday in so no one take this as actual advice. I've just heard of people doing this, supposedly. Eventually I'll migrate all my stuff over to a trust. Need to actually do that sooner rather than later I guess because the number of tax stamps required for me to do that continues to grow.

 

I know my ask is not in the same league as some of the pistols that you guys have and compete with, but have any of you had any experience shooting the Springfield Armory Echelon....either the 4.5 or the new 4.0 size gun? If so, what did you think of it, and especially the trigger for pull weight and smoothness, take up, etc

 

No experience here on your question…But if you’re considering doing a USPSA or IDPA type match, I cannot recommend it enough for the fun factor. And, it’s just a great environment of great people. I did my first match this last November and I’m totally hooked.

 

If you look back in this thread, someone did suggest that you (generically) can add the suppressor then change the trustees.

Doing that is dependent on your personal comfort level and perception of how legal/sketchy that is.

 

https://www.nationalguntrusts.com/b...ust-add-responsible-persons-to-your-gun-trust

I'm not a lawyer, but the one that wrote up my trust knows firearm law inside and out, it is their focus. And he has written them for thousands. He told me straight up it is absolutely legal and is done all the time.
This isn't his firm's site, obviously, but another highly regarded organization that knows the law better than most.

 

The single shot trust that the silencer shop offers seems to be the way to go.

they have the ‘single shot unlimited’ for $129 but its a 1 time fee for unlimited trusts and trustees for each serialized nfa item….or some chit like that.

Ive been trying to learn myself about it.

 

A revocable trust is the way to go.

 

Thanks for the reply. I had given some thought to that......maybe, but that was years ago and the closest place to me is about an hour away.

 

Yeah. It’s an hour for me to get to Thurmont MD from my house and 35-45 to get to my indoor spot. It is what it is.

 

I did that with my first one but have just been doing individual transfers since. In my mind, seems like having an individual trust for every single item would eventually become a pain to manage. At some point, I'll get off my ass and put all my assets in a single trust or under my LLC. Eventually, lol.

 

What's that?

 

Meh, Darrin's right. Competitions are a ton of fun, a great way to learn, and generally have a great community of people. My 3 gun competitions are an hour and a half away but it's worth every bit. The way I see it, if I'm going to the range I'm planning on it being a full day activity anyways so that drive isn't really bad in that context. Hell, most of us drive much further than that each way for a 2 day race weekend.

 

A revocable living trust allows the grantor (owner) to change the trust at will.
In the discussion above, the changes to the trustees list (who can use your NFA stuff) is the revocable portion.
File as single person, then add the trustees back, so they don't have to also go through the NFA background.

https://www.consumerfinance.gov/ask-cfpb/what-is-a-revocable-living-trust-en-1775/

 

From that article:
With the current ATF 41 regulations when you amend your gun trust to add a co-trustee, you don't need to have the co-trustee submit paperwork (fingerprint cards, passport photo and ATF 5320.23) to the ATF until the gun trust applies for a new tax stamp.

Which is fine and good.
If you amend & remove trustees, then buy new stuff as a solo trust, then re-amend to add trustees (rinse/repeat), the ATF might not like that.

It's a question of comfort level with that action and how it may be perceived, should it get legal.
I have 2x folks on my trust, soon to be a 3rd.

 

Or, you have the original revocable written up with those you plan to have as trustees right off the bat.
Then you add the addendum page saying you have revoked membership to the others and are now the sole trustee.
Upload that full paperwork to silencer shop, purchase as you would otherwise.
For your own files at home, keep the original trust, shred your addendum.
If you are ever in a situation where papers get checked, you're legal. You shredded the addendum recently and they are trustees.

Again, I'm not a lawyer and that isn't legal advice. But it is what was given to me.
And unlike anything stated here or elsewhere, I fully trust the advice given to me by actual lawyers that do this daily.

 

This is the legal way many people use their trust per my NFA trust lawyers advice. If you have a person/people that you know you want on the trust all the time (like an 18+ year old child) you can add them to the trust and submit their fingerprints and info via Silencer Shop Kiosk and they are good to go without removing them from the trust.

Another part of the trust vs individual differences- for me it was about being able to add people to the trust while I'm still around. Technically when you die, if you have items that you own personally (non trust) your heirs will have a one time tax free transfer available (Form 5).

 

Revocable trusts are easy to change or terminate after implementation. An irrevocable trust isn't.