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helicopter / jet collision in DC

Discussion in 'General' started by Banditracer, Jan 30, 2025.

  1. britx303

    britx303 Boomstick Butcher…..

    Did you mean to give a great explanation of doge’s direction? :D
     
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  2. Jed

    Jed mellifluous

    Like any company, some positions are highly coveted while others are high churn. Research at the government level is really hard to get into without advanced education and years of experience. Support positions at the VA hospital are high churn.
     
  3. stk0308

    stk0308 Well-Known Member

    Does it prevent them from reading an altimeter?
     
  4. SpeedWerks Racing

    SpeedWerks Racing Well-Known Member

    A more organic *take* I saw today,, but again, who knows..
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  5. SGVRider

    SGVRider Well-Known Member

    Lol how does this clown show know any of this? How does he know she was a DEI leftist hire, because it was a lady? Ridiculous take when we know almost nothing about the event chain of this accident. He could be on the money, but simple minds usually love simple answers so I’ll take what he says with many large grains of salt.

    If she was a new pilot, I’m sure new pilots make many more mistakes than seasoned pilots even after their formal training and certification. If this was a check flight, maybe the problem wasn’t her but the fact that they did a check flight at all in incredibly busy and dangerous airspace where there is zero room for error.

    People should STFU until we have actual data and some investigation. Including and especially the Current Guy who always pops off at the mouth.
     
  6. Rdrace42

    Rdrace42 Almost Cheddar

    It might. Go check out the vid on Blancolirio. Makes quite a bit more sense now.
     
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  7. stk0308

    stk0308 Well-Known Member

    That's some orange AI generated babble there.
     
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  8. iagsxr

    iagsxr Well-Known Member

    What I understand is that the altimeter in a Blackhawk requires someone to manually input barometric pressure for it to read correctly. Supposedly there is no redundancy as in no other system on the aircraft will alert the pilot if there's an error.

    Obviously as Pilot in Command it's ultimately her responsibility, but from what I think i know so far there were at least a couple other people involved who could have given a newb pilot better support.
     
  9. HPPT

    HPPT !!!

    Frankly, Even if all instruments were set up properly, planning to cross traffic with 100 feet of separation is not exactly what I call safe.
     
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  10. motion

    motion Nihilistic Member

    I didn't read everything here... don't they do this route frequently? How could someone screw up this badly? I would think that altitude awareness would be near the top for a priority. When I'm skydiving, the entire jump is about altitude awareness.
     
  11. iagsxr

    iagsxr Well-Known Member

    Yeah me either.

    Especially when a helicopter can stop and hover. It's not like it needs forward motion to stay in the air.
     
  12. Dave Wolfe

    Dave Wolfe EV Hater

    From the point if view of the helicopter, it would be easy to not realize the AC was going to veer into the heli's path as it did its circle. Experienced crews would know it. Trainees maybe not so much.
     
  13. R1Racer99

    R1Racer99 Well-Known Member

    These are probably dumb questions but I don’t know how the PIC thing works exactly. Is it rumor or fact that she had control when they collided? From what I’ve read, the instructor was the PIC, doesn’t the responsibility ultimately fall on him either way?

    And it was checkride but she had 500 hours? Have they said how much of this was in a Blackhawk and what the checkride was for? Why is everyone jumping to the conclusion that it was her fault and that she was unqualified. Honest question, I don’t get it.
     
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  14. ducnut

    ducnut Well-Known Member

  15. HPPT

    HPPT !!!

    I don't know anything about military operations but in civilian aviation, you can have two pilots logging PIC time on an instructional flight if the one receiving instruction is rated to fly the aircraft being operated.

    There's nothing to get, really. Saying at this point that she was unqualified, given the limited official information available on her background, seems pretty stupid to me.

    Saying that it was her fault is a different matter. Experienced, qualified pilots make mistakes too . They are not always lethal. If you rule out the crew on the commercial aircraft, and the air traffic controller based on the radio communications, that leaves you with the helicopter crew to blame.

    But the smartest thing to do is to wait for the NTSB report.
     
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  16. R1Racer99

    R1Racer99 Well-Known Member

    Agreed, it’s just interesting reading all the opinions.

    The two things that jumped out at me from that video above is that the CRJ got a traffic warning 18 seconds before the collision and that ATC could have just told the helo to hold until they had passed. Either way seemed like a disaster waiting to happen in that area.
     
  17. Rdrace42

    Rdrace42 Almost Cheddar

    As numerous people who have experience with flying in that space have said, risky decisions have become normalized there, due to the tight airspace. Having a helicopter lane crossing runway approaches is a bad idea. Not my opinion, as I'm an idiot and don't know anything. But even an idiot can look at that and go "really"?
     
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  18. HPPT

    HPPT !!!

    Don't quote me on this, as I am not a helicopter pilot, but I don't think that's a thing. Not there.
     
  19. ChemGuy

    ChemGuy Harden The F%@# Up!

    Dude, you think we want to wait 2 years for that? Hell nah. Shenanigans...everyone get your brooms
     
  20. mpusch

    mpusch Well-Known Member

    Preliminary report is usually much quicker.
     

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