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helicopter / jet collision in DC

Discussion in 'General' started by Banditracer, Jan 30, 2025.

  1. BigBird

    BigBird blah

    If most government workers suck, why should we care what the NTSB report says? Wasn't that created by government workers?
     
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  2. RS350Ape

    RS350Ape Member

    Nope. The IP(instructor pilot) was ultimately responsible for that flight. He let her go to far. He was in charge of that flight. I didn’t fly Blackhawks, but I am pretty sure they would have been flying off the radar altimeter for altitude. Those route altitudes are in above ground level, not MSL. I would as you can set a low or high alert on most.
     
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  3. ChemGuy

    ChemGuy Harden The F%@# Up!

    Yeah, but we know all that already.....jet was flying in...switched to RWY 33, as they were turning onto final/on short final the choppa was in the wrong spot and too high and hit them.
     
  4. Jed

    Jed mellifluous

    How dare you provide a response that doesn't blame the wominz and DEI.

    How do the DEI is bad folks feel about the old boy system? For example, I read (not a verified source though) that RFK's college app contained only the line "I'm RFK junior" as the reason he should be admitted. Of course that could be total BS, but we all know that names have their privilege and get people farther ahead in life then merit alone.

    I've also heard the military is the last great meritocracy. And yet people still get promoted because the people they work for are sick of their shit and want to get rid of them -- personal anecdote from a friend who was in Ramadi and Falluja II and referencing a major in his chain of command.
     
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  5. RS350Ape

    RS350Ape Member

    I think DEI is garbage. But this is the way it is-the Warrant Officer keeps RLOs(real live officers) out of trouble and alive when it comes to flying. That captain may not have flown for a few years since they reported she was at the WH previously. He should have been very ready for crap like that. WOs are the main flyers in the Army. RLOs are the Christmas help. They show up for command, do shit to try to one up the previous guy, then leave for another staff job or school.
     
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  6. 2blueYam

    2blueYam Track Day Addict

    Over the tidal Potomac where the helicopter was flying, there isn't going to be any more than 6 feet of difference between MSL and AGL and that would only be if there was an exceptionally high or low tide at the time. More likely zero to three feet difference.
     
  7. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Okay, couple of things - shut the fuck up about the DEI bullshit. Shut the fuck up about the conspiracies. Shut the fuck up about the email. If you want to discus the crash within the few known facts feels free but the rest is idiotic and I don't feel like playing games.
     
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  8. iagsxr

    iagsxr Well-Known Member

    You think that there's a chance he was setting her up to fail with unintended consequences?

    That's the vibe I get with admittedly very little actual knowledge.
     
  9. Used2befast

    Used2befast Well-Known Member

    So, barring a incorrect altimeter setting 3 people on that check flight and 1 ATC missed that they were above their limited ceiling as this conflict was about to happen?
     
  10. RS350Ape

    RS350Ape Member

    Doubtful. If he let her get a flight violation he would be responsible. Actually, the violation would be on him.
     
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  11. RS350Ape

    RS350Ape Member

    Crewchief has nothing to do with run up like that. I would probably say Once AT C cleared the Blackhawk behind the RJ he immediately went to the next aircraft to deal with. I have never flown there, but as I understand they are very busy. And short.

    it takes seconds to gain 125 feet in a 60.

    And it is easier than you think in a busy joint, and when visibility sucks, to gain that altitude.
     
  12. RS350Ape

    RS350Ape Member

    so there are no pressure changes there when the weather changes? I beg to differ.
     
  13. RS350Ape

    RS350Ape Member

    I don’t think you understand how this works.
     
  14. brex

    brex Well-Known Member

    On the closer video, it appears to my eye, as untrained compared to the pilots here as it may be, that the CRJ pulled up and left at the last second.

    Only saying that it seemed to me they saw it last second, not that I'm placing blame on them.

    I still believe the helicopter was in the wrong, regardless of pilot, where they were too high and too far into the river.
     
  15. Used2befast

    Used2befast Well-Known Member

    I'm just saying if your familiar with this equipment you know what a 100 ft feels like and your trained to watch your instruments. Your instructor is not gonna let you just climb at will. Something just doesn't add up...
     
  16. 2blueYam

    2blueYam Track Day Addict

    I believe what I said would apply to the actual MSL and AGL. What the instruments in a given plane say could be totally different.
     

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