So, wait....Hate crime laws don't work?

Oh, noes!! How will we ever be able to keep racism alive, then?

A look at hate crime convictions by state - ABC News

 

WTF is a hate crime

 

depends on who you ask.

i know at least some people hate crime.

 

The better question is "what is a love crime?"

 

NAMBLA

 

It's hard to get hit with a hate crime enhancement charge, and harder to prove in court. Not surprised there are so few convictions.

 

an oxymoron

lol


heres one you should know. what is correct answer to every legal question?

 

Obama's fault.

 

Pfft. Idtio. Clearly it was Bush's fault. Obama just heard about it on CNN.

 

Not surprised at all, just another example of politicians creating another BS 'feel good' law that doesn't produce positive effects.

 

Hang on, someone saying the dissuasive nature of punishment have no effect on crime?

No way dude! That's capital nonsense!....

 

100% correct. Hate crime statutes represent the successful implementation of thought policing. You can get charged additionally if you were thinking something some believe you shouldn't when you commit an act rather than simply being charged for the act.

The idea that punishing someone greater for what they are thinking will somehow effect how people think is nonsense.

 

Made up BS. It's on the same level of stupid as men "identifying" as women and all of sudden people start calling him a she.

 

Hate Crime charges require documented words and/or actions of the perpertrators while or immediately before/after they commit the crime. In court, you need to show animus to get a conviction.

Thought policing it is not.


And before you get your tighty whities all in a bunch, I agree that the bar for pressing hate crime charges by a prosecutor should be high.

 

If what you described is not evidence of what someone was thinking (animus), what do you think it is?

an·i·mus
ˈanəməs/
noun

1. 1.
   hostility or ill feeling.
   "the author's animus toward her"
2. 2.
   motivation to do something.
   "the reformist animus came from within the Party"

 

In court, you need to show intent, coupled with action. That is not punishing thought.

 

Again, intent is what is in one's mind ergo: thought. Sorry, can't get around that. Just because some (or many) would like to change how people think or feel about certain groups does not make it okay to add criminal punishments for have those feelings or thought while committing a crime. I realize those in those groups would like to think that somehow it will cause a change in the actions but, it is still punishing what is in ones mind.

 

True but to me, that is problematic. Punishment should be based on what is fact, which means actions only. Once you begin to punish for psyche you get into a very gray area with a lot of room for interpretation and abuse.

 

Not interpretation. Projection.