Pipeline Stopped

I guess it's on hold now? The Army Corps of Engineers refused a permit or something. I figure once the hoopla has died down they'll slightly re-route it and push it through real quick.

 

It's still going through..they're just apparently going to re-route it from what I read to appease the idiots.

Sorry, I'm originally from ND, and I'm just not a fan of the tribes out there. They get money for nothing and their chicks for free from Uncle Sam, and they drink up and piss away every opportunity they're given.

 

Re-routing it would be a big deal, and add a lot of time to the project. Not to mention the Corps will probably take 6-9 months to complete the environmental impact review. The shit show will continue I guess.

 

It seems this was just a ploy to get the protesters to go home. That pipeline is a done deal, doesn't matter what the media says.

 

This is to get them to disperse for a couple of months until Trump revives the project in late January.

 

It's a lot less fun to "protest" when the windchill is 40 below. Winter in the Dakota's sucks ass. My brother worked up there for a few years for BNSF. It was so cold that they could not shut their machinery off - had to leave everything running 24/7 with somebody on site to keep an eye on it. If they shut off the engines they probably wouldn't start again until spring.

 

Yeah, when I visit my company in Appleton I am miserable and I hear the Dakotas are way worse due to some wind.

F**k cold weather.

 

Milwaukee was bad enough. I don't know how the people that live north and west of there can take it. Cold, windy, and 8 or 9 hours of cloudy daylight this time of year sucks. They say never say never, but I can't picture anything that would get me to move back to Milwaukee, much less Minnesota or the Dakotas.

 

It's always a surprise to me how so many modern people look at Native Americans as leeches and poor citizens when, of all the people in the US, they have been the most persecuted of all. The land that they lived on for thousands of years before the Europeans came here was taken away from them which left them mostly nothing.
I have really mixed emotions about this pipeline because of the modern laws stating that the land on which the pipeline is located is owned by the pipeline company and yet the land was not anyone's to actually sell to the pipeline in the first place. On the other hand, finishing the pipeline is a definite boon to the rest of the US since it will supplement our need for a source of energy. What makes it really irritating is that all that would be necessary to solve the problem would be to reroute the damn thing around the water source used by those natives. The pipeline owners are just being horses asses.

 

Yup. IMO, the pipeline company just did not give the indians enough money up front. Water protectors...
I think Standing Rock was one of the group of idiots that protested getting the Fighting Sioux renamed too.
And ND in January will definitely make the protesters way less offended by the pipeline. 20 below has a way of doing that.

 

There was a time I would agree. However history is full of people getting invaded and losing. Shoot you can look at the history of NA's invading and killing each other. So why are they due unending ass kissing?

Further the greatest harm today is a reservation. Like all other Americans if they get out and participate in society they benefit, if they sit on the couch and do nothing they don't. Join the country and pull like the rest of us mutts.

 

It was re-routed 141 times, this routing is in an energy corridor that already has a NG pipeline and power. It is already the least damaging route. Just a bunch of nonsensical bullshit.

 

Agreed. I've never really understood the idea of the reservation. Outside of the casinos, it seems like a sure way to pretty much exclude yourself from any sort of successful business interaction with the rest of the world.

 

A Treaty signed sometime in 1851 ceded the land to the Sioux Nation. Somehow that land was then sold to the Pipeline company and, at this point, I'm not sure just who it was that sold it in the first place. However, I'm also quite sure that once the Donald gets into office the pipeline will be pushed through on way or the other. If he declines to sign a directive on it himself, then he will send the decision back to the Corp. of Engineers who will most likely re-approve the process pretty quickly.

I also watched an individual involved with the situation state that everything connected to the issue has been judged legal by more than one Federal Judge and that studies have shown that that point of the river is the safest point to make the crossing since it will be somewhere between 98 and 115 feet below the river bottom and that there are, as someone has already pointed out, a NG pipeline and a power line crossing. I think he also stated that there are already several other pipelines crossing in the area.

It's going through come hell or high water.

 

I have mixed emotions on this as well. The right for the people to assemble peacefully and show their concern etc is a good thing. But when these same peeps and groups start to sabotage equipment, like here in Iowa - with setting bulldozers and earth-movers on fire, then they have obviously crossed the line and are no better then what they say they are protesting against.

One issue I do have is the use of eminent domain where the government can secure the property rights from individuals. Iowa has very stringent rules and guidelines in place for when and how eminent domain can be used. From some of the articles I have read, some of these stipulations have not been met but eminent domain was used any way land access was secured.

On the other hand we are an oil consuming nation and our entire country revolves around this energy source. So the more oil from here that we can produce and move into use, the better off we all are.

The pipe line is within three miles from my parents place outside of Ames, Iowa. They have been working on all the road and river crossings for well over a year basically completing all the crossings so they can just put the pipe in as they go. So there is no doubt it's going to be completed, just at what time.

 

The purpose of the reservations was an attempt to placate the Native Americans for the land that was taken from them by force during the 18th and 19th Centuries. Just about all of the prime land was taken for Western Expansion for farming and such so most of the Plains Indians were given land that was, for the most part, useless. I guess it was better than nothing. Kinda. Like today, even though it's not as bad as yesteryear, people still look at Native Americans as lessor people. Early on they were treated poorly and were assumed not capable of being equals to the white man and there is a tendency to still feel that way today. Sad.

Also, part of most of the dozens and dozens of Treaties (actually over 500) that were signed included annual "stipends" that included food and clothing rations to be shared by all of a particular tribe. Almost all of those Treaties have been broken by the US Government. The Bureau of Indian Affairs (Part of the Interior Dept.) controls all Indian lands and contracts and pays part of the money earned to the individual Indians. Each Indian receives between 10 and 12% of the total collected for personal income. Unbelievably, about 45% of the total is spent managing the Indian Bureau offices throughout the country. Since it's inception the Bureau of Indian Affairs has been the most mismanaged Governmental dept. in existence and remains so today.

 

SOME people look at them as lesser but ignorant fucks do the same thing about black people, asians, women and yes whitey. Again I say if they participate as equals there will be success. Shoot in this area there are plenty of folks who have varying degrees of NA heritage because their ancestors escaped the Trail of Tears. For instance Cherokee, NC LOL. But yes out in general population also. One of my previous bosses had a lot of Cherokee in him. I have had great bosses at the current company but he was likely the best.

As to better than nothing look at the trail of tears. Forced at gunpoint is not the better option, it is the only option.

 

Pipelines are also a unique beast because of the need for energy independence in case of war. It's tough to argue it when the ultimate trump card is national security.

 

This. What, Should the Army Corp of Engineers meet with them and run it past them 200 times? 400 times? They are a little too late and as most said that were out there, it was primarily a bunch of liberal hippies that tried making it into a festival.

 

On one level I'm disappointed because I really wanted to see what kind of resolve some of these hippies have when temps dropped to -20. LOL.