Future of Healthcare

That's fine if you consider yourself a loser but I can't see how any of this is gonna make my coffee taste different tomorrow morning.

 

And if the vote had been taken and the bill passed, how would your coffee taste?

Better yet, did your coffee taste any different 8 years ago when Uncle Obama wasn't doling out your 'scrips?

 

Funny, my coffee tasted better 8 years ago...and I didn't drink as much of it. Now, I'm hooked on it. They could sell me anything and, not only do I buy it, I drink it.

 

Perhaps the way to go is to leave Obamacare alone and watch it fail. It's staggering now.

 

No idea how it would have worked out but if that many Republicans were against it too I'd wager it wasn't worth the paper it was written on.

Over the past 8 years my premiums have gone up maybe $100 a month but I have no idea about prescriptions. Haven't needed one in at least a decade.

My wife uses that shit all the time but she only bitches about the deductible. I think we pay $1500 a year and the company pays the other 2 or 3k.

I feel bad for people who truly need it but as a whole I feel health care is way overused. Most things can be healed with some soup and a nap.

 

Heard something on the radio the other day and I figure one of you knows the answer. In most countries where there is a single payer system, they also have a private system for those that can/are willing to pay. Neither Obamacare or the Republican abortion allowed for much in the way of choice, thus no competition (which does tend to drive costs downward). Any fact to the two tier system and if there is, why not use that as a model instead of a one size fits all?

 

Paging @crashman

 

The two-tier system has developed in GB because the state of their public hospitals is so grim. Anyone who can afford to pay for private care does so. Even though the unions support the single payer system, their contracts now regularly demand private insurance as a benefit. They don't want to use the shitty public system either.
That isn't the way it's supposed to work.

 

You are not dragging me in to this shit show...

But for what it is worth alot of people I know in Canada pay extra for supplemental health insurance on top of their "free" health care...

 

Yeah?

You gotta little something on your shoe...

 

That's the answer. You have your private tier for innovation and advancement, then you have your single payer for everyone else. It's the same premise as "racing improves the breed", buying store brand products, etc.

 

I will just slide the tip in a little bit...

 

Well Trump dodged a major bullet because this health care deal is a fucking joke. If it would have passed, Trump's responsible for the failure. As it stands, Obama and the Democrats are still responsible.

The Republicans really fucked this up. They've had years to come up with a solution and they have squat. Let's call out the assholes who are to blame, All of the Democrats, and many Republicans. What happened today is what is supposed to happen with the system. A shitty bill was rejected. I applaud the Republicans that rejected it and say F U to all the rest of them. In a small way, we won today...at least it was not another step backwards.

Dear Republicans, you have a super majority so get your head out of your ass you morons. Repeal this stupid unconstitutional health care disaster and replace it with the free market and get rid of the damn regulations on the system. Lobyists pushed for all those regulations to guarantee monopoly and that's the whole damn problem.

 

It's not always just like that.

In some places - even for people here on some systems in the US that have "government health care" it's called "co-insurance". It's just an additional policy you buy and pay for in addition to what you already have the gives you additional protection from high deductables or out of pocket expenses.

Depending on how it's implemented, however, it does not get you additional services. It only affects what you pay out of pocket in many cases. Some of these plans in different countries are different in that the actual level of care is different. In other countries it's just basically a higher premium then with lower out of pocket expenses.

 

I thought the whole point of "free" health care for all was actually the same "free" health care for all, not one level of care for the have-nots and a higher level of care for the haves.

 

Obviously, when you try to make everything "free", quality often suffers.

Beyond that, there are direct correlations between "Single Payer" countries and medical innovation. It should be no surprise that the US leads the world in Medical Innovation. Just a few things for reading. I even threw the HuffPo in their for those that believe anything not coming from a completely socialist source must be "false". The second one is one of the more interesting - as it directly calls out the idiots that just talk about our "cost per person" as compared to our lifespan,.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/gracem...nnovative-culture-is-threatened/#331372d677eb

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba649

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kenneth-thorpe/medical-advancements-who-is-leading_b_807796.html

 

Canada does not allow a 2 tier system, BUT what the doctors can charge for covered services is a set rate. So whether you have Dr. Mir or Dr. Nick doing your heart surgery, the government pays the same and the doctors get paid the same.

Elective surgeries such as cosmetic surgery is a free for all. For those with the money, they fly into the US and get whoever they want to do the surgery and then pay for it out of pocket. Government pays nothing.

We do have horrendous wait lists though. Waiting time at emergency is long as well since people come there for a cough or runny nose.

IMO, there is no way to make healthcare in the US affordable until the legal system is revamped to remove punitive damages and pain and suffering. The insurance rates for physicians in the US are astronomical compared to Canada.

IIRC Pain and suffering in Canada is limited to $100K. So, you spill a cup of coffee on your leg and the coffee was too hot, you'll get max $100K for P&S, lost wages and other tangible losses. So, depending on your occupation, might be 2-300K. US people are suing for MILLIONS.

So, until they can reform insurance law and standardize what doctors can charge, I just don't see how you'll be able to get health care that is affordable to the user or to the government.

 

When you restrict what doctors can make, you create fewer doctors, and thus those long waits to see a doctor.
You don't get to see the doctor that went into some other profession where he could make a living commensurate with his drive, intelligence, and abilities unfettered by government wage controls.
No big mystery there.

 

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