For those that question the sale of a bike with no title...

Where did anyone in this thread remotely state this?

 

Chops shops stealing bikes in order to simply sell clean title frames to other theives stealing other bikes in order to build and legally register.

 

If you're implying the over whelming majority of no title bikes are stolen property, why do you allow racers to race them in WERA?

 

Am I in the minority having a backup frame without having a full B bike? I do because the 600RR pegs have torn my frame at the bolt mounts twice and I have had hell of a time finding a welder who will touch it. Racers are busy during the season and "regular welders" wouldn't touch it.

 

Ran into similar problems with the ZX6 frame. I'd recommend looking into cutting a relief into the foot peg to create a designed weak point so you don't tear the ears off the frame. Woodcraft makes their pegs this way, but Vortex doesn't, and I'm surprised by that. I bought a bike that had Vortex rear sets on it, peg ground down from a low side, but still didn't break despite having bent that backing plate (which is impressive, as that piece is like what, 1/4" thick?!?!)

 

Not sure why such a big deal being made out of this. Call up your local law enforcement agency and have them check the VIN's authenticity. We do it all the time.

 

I think he is just being sarcastic

 

Some people need direct guidance, even when it's lathered in sarcasm

 

Because quite frankly, I know I have no way of proving it, but I haven't seen anything that discredits the thought process.

Racers are cheap as fuck and given the choice, we'd rather save the money and buy a BoS frame rather than a titled one. Additionally, like you said, can't pay taxes on something that 'doesn't exist'.

I do know a few friends that only want paperwork related frames for their own mental peace - whether that's a salvage cert, certificate of origin, or title. Even then, unless that paperwork is in the current bike holder's name, it's not any more valid than a no title bike (Since you have no way to prove that they acquired it willingly from whoever is on the title)...but I digress.

Again, I go back to looking at the numbers. The racing community is extremely small, and those that demand a clear title from that tiny racer community is even smaller. So what I'm saying is that the market value vs the numbers doesn't add up. Clean title frames would not bring such a high $ if it was only racers buying clean title frames because the demand isn't there.

 

Some people state the given and act as if they have enlightened the masses.
I don’t think sarcasm means what you seemingly think it does. LOL.

 

What other kind of situation is prevalent enough to warrant the current going prices for them?

 

Next time I'll type slower because I know you can't read fast.

 

I think if you typed any slower your two brain synopses would explode.
Selling clean title frames is not a new phenomenon and certainly is not limited in scope within the racing community. Sorry if this makes you butt hurt for not understanding what most on hear have been telling you.

If you think this is a huge issue with sportbikes, you clearly have not paid attention to the Harley segment as this practice occurs in far greater numbers.

 

A clean titled frame is legal and has a paper trail. What someone does illegally with that legal frame is not our business as the sellers. We are making sure things are right on our end, as it should be.