2018 Vintage Classes

Agreed, keep it simple

 

Nothing...That's how it should be... I just hate the idea of special rules for 2 smokers or other bikes that want rules changed to themselves...

 

Now .... your be funny ......

 

Don’t have time to read the whole thread but from what I did read it appears v8 MW is still going to be a thing? Bought and built an 06 gsxr600 specifically for this class and my rookie season.

 

That makes sense. Known “guys” who pay the bills should be considered when making the schedule.
I just purchased a bike that per the current rules is V3 legal and I really don’t care where it runs, rather what I can legally and safely bump up to. V3 and V4 combined in the same race left me wondering if a bump to V5 is reasonably safe.

 

Think you could put the V7 bikes in front of the V6 HW bikes.
We are newer bikes.
Thanks.

Steven

 

Might be a silly question but do the smaller vintage classes practice with Group 1?

 

I post the following with the admission I will not be on track at Tally.

I am building an RZ, the 421cc is a common build reliable platform with off the shelf race parts, crank, cylinders and pistons and pipes. I suggested increasing the limit based on what is prevalent in the market. The current Clubman limit is 396cc's. If 421 was legal I would elect to run clubman as opposed to V-5. BUT if I run my 400 in the v3 class I am forced to run the RZ in V5.

Looking at the Tally race listing I don't understand the class alignment. Yea I know we are trying to sort this out here. (Joe's suggestion had merit).

There are multiple issues that influence the decision chain. Safety is #1 WERA revenue and entry's should be #2.

V-3 running with V4 does not make sense, V-4 would be the bump up for V-3 if the are run separate.

Tally has 500GP, V3 and V4 all in one race, this will absolutely reduce vintage entry's and further depress revenue as it leaves no vintage bump up with the exception of V-5.

V-5 with F2 is a fraught with potential on track issues even at the V-5 level, the F-2 class is ALL OUT 600's (backing it in and drifting it out). When V-3/V4 are run together V5 is a catch all bump up for V3-V4 and in this case 500GP, this will lead to on track issues for anyone with the guts to bump a 500GP bike to V5 (I am guessing the anticipation is that 500GP bikes would bump to ESS?)

What is the cost of additional ambulances or shutting down while we wait for an ambulance to return to the track? Please don't be offended, it is the potential reality.

Logical respectful dissent is a healthy thing, I am an advocate of trying to get this right. I think the new structure can be improved and hell, this is just time and discussion.

How many senior superbike entry's are there, this is a race with 2 groups of SENIOR racers what is the typical grid size?. I confess, I don't know the lap times for F2 or Senior Superbike but I do know that the senior class is EXPERIENCED riders that know how to pass and are SENIOR much like the vintage group, is this a more logical group for V5?

This is not about class structure, it is about maximizing #1 safety, #2 revenue to wera AND a great SAFE experience for the participants.

My thoughts.

 

"How many senior superbike entry's are there, this is a race with 2 groups of SENIOR racers what is the typical grid size?. I confess, I don't know the lap times for F2 or Senior Superbike but I do know that the senior class is EXPERIENCED riders that know how to pass and are SENIOR much like the vintage group, is this a more logical group for V5?"

Hmmmm.. very interesting. Anything to keep me out of the SVs' oilslicks

 

Senior Superbike is MW (600s) and HW (1000s). Combine classes for EX and NV for MW and HW ranged from 10-25 depending upon the track. While older and should be “wiser” I don’t know that V5 would be safe with the significant speed/time differences.

F2 is typically SVs not 600s but some of those riders are as fast as 600s

 

Mongo,the rules for clubman states 396cc 2 stroke water cooled multies. But the next line says "ALL formula 2 stroke machines". And Formula 2 stroke allows rz350s up to 450cc. This would allow the 421 into clubman?

 

Move V3 from race 9 to race 13 and you have a schedule that works.

Cheers,

dave

 

Yes, that way V3 can be the GP500 bump up class.

 

I don't get how that makes sense. I get the point of moving v3 from 500GP. But do you really thinking stock motor cb350s should bump up into a 600&1000cc sport bike race?