For those that question the sale of a bike with no title...

So you have the people that demand a title be sold with every track bike out there (and question non stop if it doesn't), but why aren't they questioning [the buying of] the selling of clean title frames? I can think of only a very few small cases where you'd legit have to buy a clean titled frame, the biggest market I see for them would be stolen bikes that make for an easy/quick profit. There are definitely the few occasions here and there where people might break a frame in a crash, for sure - but that doesn't happen nearly as often as the sale of just a bike frame and title (not to mention you'd only need a bill of sale frame/no title frame for a race bike). Motorcycle theft is still rampant but I'm sure there's no connection between the two.

 

I think what he is saying is, people scoff at buying a legit/legal b.o.s. only bike, but don't blink at people buying a titled frame and not knowing if it is going to put together a stolen bike w a clean title.

 

Racing forum where guys are trashing bikes every weekend doesn't put any suspicion on a the buyer of a frame. Wanting proof that you won't get in any trouble for buying that frame is desirable for most.

It doesn't beg the question in the same way having a non-titled bike in your possession does.

 

You're still missing the point, those that want a clear conscious to buy a clean history bike (whether it be certificate of origin/clean title/etc) don't care if the frame they're selling is going to support a thief's motive (stealing bikes, swapping frames, profiting) - as long as they get their money right?

But they get damn riled up over a no title track bike...

 

Mongo would have more experience in this, but from what I've seen over the years, the ratio of crashed bikes to totaled frames from track wrecks is pretty high. I think we've all seen frames get smoked, but it's not the norm for a track crash.

 

Had bought a titled frame for a Honda Sabre (go figure) back in the day because of purchasing it with a titled fucked up frame. No theft involved but I could very well have put bogus parts on it and it would have been legit. Thieves are gonna find a way as all fuck bags do. But I'm nice enough still to trust people dealing equitable items. But I still know where they live.

 

Nope, but I saw the irony in it and wondered if anyone else have seen the same pattern. You still don’t get my point but clearly it’s a lost cause so I’m not going to try any further.

Have known racers that have had to buy a new frame. None of them cared about title status because it was going right back on a racebike.

 

It's not that difficult to have a VIN ran by LEO. I don't see the issue.

 

I'm sure it happens that a purchaser of a clean title frame is doing so in order to build it from a stolen bike.

But from what I have seen most peeps who steal bikes aren't looking to transfer the parts over to a clean title frame. They are looking to part it out. They don't have the desire to build a bike as it's a lot of work and it's just easier for them to part it and get $.

No doubt in my mind most clean title frames are being purchased for good intent.

 

No issue. Just discussing the intent of the peeps who purchase a clean title frame.

 

. I have to agree w the o.p., I've read a lot of for sale ads that were b.o.s. only and people acted like every ad was a crook peddling stolen merchandise.

 

Um again, separate issue of what OP is asking/discussing.

 

Um, again
I understand what he is asking, I even stated that in the second post on the thread....

I'm simply stating, later in the conversation, that the first part of his statement is also not that big of an issue as some people make it.

 

The red flags go up when a potential buyer says he just wants the title for the clean frame being sold. No doubt the intent is to grind off and stamp the clean VIN on the shady frame. I've stopped plenty of bikes with re-stamped frames. A lot of times with a VIN that doesn't match the actual model and/or year.

 

Impossible...every no titled bike out there is stolen, either from a person or from the bank.

And every clean title frame sold goes to honest people.