The New James Bond Is a Wus!

Frank did. Now pay attention, I will explain this again just for you.

I replied to Tahoe's original post ridiculing the actor and implying that guns don't kill people is a fallacy. The inference I got from his comment is that increased gun ownership is a good thing because it automatically reduces violence. Maybe I made a leap there but too late now.

Note that I didn't deny what he said was true. My point is that other countries are more or less violent and the level of gun ownership isn't a reliable predictor of this. It seemed logical to make comparisons to illustrate my point. Sao Paulo and Tokyo are at opposite ends of the scale so I decided they are the best examples.

 

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Now how can you bash something you're so closely related too. Guns are not toys Tom, they're tools.

 

You have selective memory skills. I originally said

And I mentioned other cities as examples to back that up. Frank then asked why wouldn't US gun laws reduce the homicide rate in Tokyo.

I've said I don't know, but to presume US-style gun ownership laws would reduce crime in Tokyo sure seems like a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

Their situation is different, the goal is the same but different tactics make sense. Same on the other end of the scale with Brazil, or Baghdad for that matter.

 

We know that what's happening in Tokyo works for them. And it works a whole lot better than what either of our countries are doing. Everything else is opinion.

Including the presumption that more guns would lower their homicide rate.

But for anyone with a homicide rate that is between 5 and 50 times higher (which includes me, btw) to suggest the Japanese could improve things by "doing it our way" still seems like absolute freaking lunacy.

Quit nitpicking and turn off that reality-distortion field!!

 

What part of "Everything else is opinion" can't you understand?

But I will concede anyway: Even though the homicide rate is 5-50 times higher here, technically it's still possible the Japanese are doing it all wrong.

 

Japan has a death penalty.

In 1999, a survey found that 79% of Japanese supported a death penalty.

Too many variables to tae into account everything. Murder is not a high volume crime, unless you're a former dictator and part of his thug group in Iraq...

 

I'm not maintaining anything, you are the one who first mentioned Tokyo in the context of gun laws. Tokyo also has a lower crime rate across the board. And you somehow correlate that to gun laws there, and gun laws alone? They have fewer rapes, fewer robberies, etc., etc.

Why the apparent contradiction in your post? If you believe that their society being different from ours is the reason for lower crime rates, why even bring them into a discussion about gun control?

 

No, I didn't, I asked you why you thought (or, at least implied) that allowing gun ownership in Tokyo would suddenly turn law abiding citizens into murdering criminals. I never expressed my opinion.

 

I think Martin Sheen once said, the point to stirring a martini is to prevent the ice from chipping and thus melting. Bond is ordering a watered down cocktail and being snooty about it.

 

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I agree. He should be in Congress doing stuff like that.

 

Give me a break with the bullshit adjectives and exaggerations already. You asked a direct question to something that I've already pointed out I didn't say.

Why are homicide rates so much higher in the US than in Japan?

 

Obviously, because they eat more sushi and less red meat.

 

Pure speculation, but it could be the extremely regimented, homogeneous culture in Japan. They do shame better than the Catholics or Jews.

 

No one has an answer.

Maybe people in the US that commit homicides don't eat enough red meat too.

Maybe there's more entitlement programs in the US vs Japan that contribute.

Homicides are committed by individuals, not populations. So, go figure out why those individuals do it, and you'll have an answer rather than a load of statistics.