MotoGP | 2025 | Silly Season

Yes, US is the largest market by eyeballs with the lowest penetration.

There's a British rider in MotoGP rider? Where are you getting this?

It has 100% to do with Dorna because THEY WANT TO SELL TV CONTRACTS. C'mon bro, use your brain.

 

Again, where are you getting your data? How do you know it has the largest eyeballs with the lowest penetration? Bet there’s a lot of Asian countries at a similar ratio if for no other reason than population density. And what about receptiveness? Do you have a measure for that? I’m sure Liberty does.

Reading comprehension is fundamental. Britains broadcasting deal (can’t remember the network) contained (past tense) a clause regarding British riders on the grid. Hell it probably still does and I’m guessing that network is getting a cut rate on rights because of it.

And that’s the point. You’re right, Dorna cares about broadcasting rights. The Spanish rider stipulation has exactly fuckall to do with Dorna being Spanish and everything to do with the value of regional broadcasting rights with versus without riders of that nationality. You and everyone else claiming you know what that value is in the American market have yet to show any proof of your claims.

To be clear, I’m not even saying you’re wrong. What I’m saying is your entire stance is speculation at best and people throwing hissy fits over Trackhouse not signing Joe or liberty not further incentivizing Trackhouse to do so are using speculative “data/information” to support their very biased personal view. Sorry but that’s not reality and until you can prove these claims, there’s just as good as a chance you’re wrong.

for all anyone on this board knows, liberty has already looked into all of this and determined that given all of the biggest manufacturers in the world couldn’t stop the continued decline in sportbike (and subsequently racing) popularity in America and Dornas version of drive to survive couldn’t make a dent, then their resource investments would realize a better ROI in other markets. And I’d be willing to bet they know more about that than most on this board.

 

Yeah bro, use your brain...cuz my speculative opinion is clearly superior to your speculative opinion....

 

https://cdn-1.motorsportnetwork.com/survey/2022/MotoGP-Global-Fan-Survey-2022.pdf
MotoGP did the research for us.

 

Not sure if this is a jab at me or the other guy lol

 

Really? I thought my sarcasm towards his comment was pretty transparent. I just thought his questioning your intelligence was pretty absurd when he didn't have any actual data to back up his assertions. Now putting orange and blue on a bike...that's worth calling out!

 

Not sure how many of you guys pay attention to the lower classes but it’s a good thing KTM has Alonso in Moto3 coming up because putting all their eggs into Guevara was an epic misstep. They dumped Garcia to the woods after Guevara barely beat him as GasGas teammates and now look at them. Guevara will be lucky to get an offer from world super sport at this rate and Garcia is kicking ass. The sport is alive and well.

 

I'd wait to see Alonso in Moto 2 before getting too bold. That transition can be very unpredictable. Guevara, as you mentioned, Danny Kent, Dennis Foggia...

 

Interesting article. I got a little over halfway through and will finish the rest later but I’d argue this article actually supports what I’ve mentioned earlier as my sort of fear on liberty’s stance regarding the American market. Of all responses tallied, the US provided the most responses of the survey outside of Europe. In addition, the Americas (US specifically wasn’t called out) have the least tenured fan base of any region in terms of percentage, which tells me 1 of 2 things:
Either they’re doing a good job recruiting new fans or they’re doing a shit job of retaining old fans. Without seeing a comparable dataset from earlier years, hard to say which.

Given these tidbits and a couple other data points I’ve read so far, doesn’t seem like much of a stretch to surmise that the americas are already growing healthily while Asia offers more untapped potential and other European countries (such as Germany or Portugal) offer better ROI from all resource investment (not necessarily just incentives based on a riders passport) due to simply geographic proximity. I think it’s also pretty obvious that motorcycling is a larger part of the culture in both Asia and these less engaged Euro countries, making the recruitment from motorcyclist to GP fan a much shorter step for those populations. Versus Americans that for the most part don’t even care motorcycles exist, let alone GP.

To reiterate, I’m not even going to say the above conclusions are accurate. Not my area of expertise. But it does seem plausible. Moreover, I still don’t see anything that screams Joe should be in GP. If anything, quite the contrary given his prime opponents nationality and the apparent untapped potential of those markets.

 

ok that’s what I thought. Beebing in between a hundred other things lol

 

While the transition up a class is never a given, from what I've seen of Alonso his racecraft is his biggest strength. I don't know that's going to go away, even if he takes some time to adapt to a Moto2 bike. They call Acosta the 'Shark', and I see similar in Alonso. He never seems to panic if he's further back, and he just bides his time until the moment is right. I also don't see him making stupid moves trying to pass people, which Garcia was known for, as was Masia.

 

I am very impressed with the kid. He truly is phenomenal. And after listening to him on a podcast, I also like him as a person. I just try to stay grounded and remember that some dominant guys in the past went nowhere.

 

I don’t follow moto3 closely… was that TX race this year a big breakthrough for him? That got my attention and I’ve watched for him since…

 

Where the fuck is Broome when this thread needs a terminal supply of uppercuts?

 

M3 is always the highlight race of the weekend.

M2 is invariably a dud (less so this year).

MotoGP, you never know....

 

Dude....thought you were a racer. Moto3 is almost always a phenomenal race, although Alonso is starting to make the winner a bit of an inevitability. Doesn't seem to matter where he starts, he finds a way towards the front. Sometimes he's got the pace to run away, but when he doesn't, he's super methodical and picks through the field. Really impressive.

 

I honestly can't tell if you're for real anymore or you're gaslighting.

US has unquestionably the largest marketable TV audience, due to both population and disposable income. Do you think farmers or the factory workers making iPhones/Shein/Temu trash have purchasing power?

Nobody (in the last few pages, at least) said that Joe should be there because he's the home choice. He's the commercial choice, and that's 100% fine. Still means he should be the pick.

 

lol you clearly have absolutely zero understanding of markets outside the US. Those poor farmers and factory workers are the source of the largest 2 wheeled market in both volume and revenue by fucking miles and there’s not even a close second. And if you think that doesn’t translate to their own version of unique motorcycle culture and motorsports enthusiasm, then you’re pathetically naive and should actually learn about the rest of the world before speaking on it. The impact of the Asian market on the motorcycle industry cannot be overstated. Now how that translates to broadcasting rights value, I couldn’t tell you. But I imagine it carries some weight.

you can argue with me all you want. But based on the current rumor mill, it seems the people writing the checks see more value in ogura. Whether that be because of market potential, performance, or age, it does indeed seem to be the case. Only thing I can see negating that is Joe and his agent asking for some ridiculous contract, which I’d find surprising.

if you feel so strongly in your convictions on the matter, may I recommend running your own GP team or going to work for liberty to extend your expertise and influence to their operation. Since you clearly have been bestowed with some wisdom the rest of us don’t have.

 

You are doing some serious mental gymnastics to skip over the very obvious cause, which is they are not recruiting new viewers in this market post the Roberts to Schwantz era. Everybody who cares is old as fuck, including all the old fuckers that populate this forum. That group that did care keeps getting smaller and smaller as people care less and less.

Straight from the page:

People don't really discover new hobbies in their 40s or 50s, they are just not recruiting well at all here and relying on the old guard to keep the money in this market, and is shrinking.


Or maybe MA really has something with that bagger class.