MotoGP | 2025 | Silly Season

That’s insane, like buying notes and data from the Oakland A’s to setup your expansion team in the NHL.

but whatever, makes for good interneting.

 

They basically bought a set of blueprints is how I look at it.

 

Sounds really similar to the S1000rr that was very similar to the 05/06 gsxr1000 on paper iirc

 

Except they’ve continued to develop their bike into a championship contender while Suzuki just releases BNG year in and year out. Which is sad when you consider the history of that product line.

 

If you think about €100s of million Aprilia and KTM have spent starting their programs from scratch, spending €20 million on Suzuki’s data makes a lot of sense if it can give your program a 1 or 2 head start.

 

With the rules changes, I'm not sure buying data from a team that developed their bike less than current brands have now in 2024 and add in the rules changes for 2027 and it seems like they're not really giving themselves much of a leg up. I feel like they'd be better off scooping up experienced GP engineers, aero engineers, mechanics, etc.

 

Ding ding ding! The Suzuki chassis was the best in the series but tires change every year.

It’s a base but so are the Kalex and speed up chassis.

and the last time Suzuki teamed with a German company ended horribly to the point Suzuki is where they are now.

 

Great find!

I notice there’s no mention of Miller in there.

 

watching the Suzuki carve up the competition was really cool… it only takes the right team leader to build the good bike… or a steaming pile… razors edge sometimes with the spec tires

 

Whore mouth! Whore mouth right there!

 

Had to be done!

 

Teams have been trying to scoop up top engineers for forever too. That’s not a sure thing either, look at KTM. The Suzuki is a great point to start from, its a known good gp bike. But that all depends on what data is actually included. Imo, the blueprints are worthless without the testing data to baseline the bike and continue development.

 

They bought all of their data…which means testing data and track specific data. The Suzuki was an inline engine and the current m1000 is an inline engine as well. Be interesting to see if they actually join motogp and if they stick with the inline model vs the V4 that everyone but Yamaha is using.

 

I hope we see a 3cyl in 2027… doubt any of them do it but would be cool to have something different in the big class… the V5 sure shook things up way back… I didn’t see if they’re still limited to 4 cyl on the next package… if not we may have a tiny V7 or something

 

Brivio to BMW. You heard it here first.

 

Livio Suppo needs to make a return too…

 

Buying data is probably smarter than some of you seem to think. Especially a bike that was arguably the best of when it exited the series. Anyway, my guess is not that they're trying to build a Suzuki, but to feed and Ai learning model.

 

My thoughts on this were a) they didn't buy the data to design their bike, but to establish the design envelope ( e.g., by studying the bike dynamics, loads, duty cycles, and track specific information), b) they're likely going to compare it to their WSBK data to understand if they can make a step in that program by gleaning something from the MotoGP data, and c) to validate their preliminary engineering assumptions for a MotoGP program.

 

So was Mir the best rider in 2020 or was the GSX-RR the best bike/team?

It must stink languishing down in the depths of the Honda black hole

 

Neither. But they were the best combo. I honestly think the Zuk was probably in the top 3 but it, the Duc, and the Yamaha were all very close. Hard to say what order. And Mir was probably a top 3 rider at the time but I’d be hard pressed to say he was more skilled than Marc or Fabio.

Nowadays, really hard to say because the new Ducs have made damn near everyone that rides them look like rockstars the last couple years. And Pedro has entered the series.