MotoAmerica | Silly Season | 2025

I would guess more, my point is that they are probably more expensive to run at the front over an entire season than Superbike.

 

Are they still doing delayed streaming on MAVtv? I remember that being a thing for a bit but I didn't know if they killed that to dive deeper into the live plus.

 

So, I guess this IS your first rodeo then.

History does matter.

 

And it has all been choreographed by the puppet-master @Mongo

 

More like the pastor of the muppets but you do you.

 

Does anyone know somebody at the Discovery channel? They’ve made some pretty entertaining shows about some awfully boring hobbies/careers, and made them popular.. Motorcycle racing in America could use a reality show for some attention.

 

Oddly enough, the album artwork works either way you arrange the words.. haha

 

How much SBK sponsorship money is actually coming from the manufacturers of assless chaps?

 

Yep, the focus of the sport in the early 90's when I bought my first Kawi 750cc sportbike for $7399 was win on Sunday sell on Monday.

That premise is gone by default or the heretics...or so it seems so how does the sport sustain itself?

Harley was in it back then with a full superbike effort then bailed now have returned with a bagger effort. AMA folded then resurrected as MotoAmerica. Without a serious PR campaign this US sport is hobbling on 1 leg again.

 

Doesn't matter. If money is leaving SBK and going into Baggers, which it is, then that's all that matters.

 

Jeebuz, look at who is backing the baggers and what brands are racing it, hammerhead. There isn't really any money drain from SBK to Baggers.

 

As for the Good Ole Days, today a top tier NG SS could kick a 20-year-old Superbike's ass around pretty much any track MA races on except maybe Road America. Well maybe not if the old Superbike is allowed to run modern tires.

 

Super shitty weather trying to get out west right now. The rig is parked safe at a truck stop off I-44 near the Ok / Mo border

 

How do you figure it's taking money from superbike?

 

I'm not saying money is going directly from SBK to Baggers (although it might... I haven't delved into that... there are sponsors that aren't named Indian or H-D).

I'm saying SBK has less money going into it, as witnessed by the shrinking grid. Baggers has more money going into it, as witnessed by the expanding grid and higher caliber of riders.

 

V&A is in baggers not SB . That would be one thing. Every penny promoting bags is not promoting SB. Every sponsor going to the new fad is a lost potential. etc

Here is the deal... again. There are thriving superbike series all over the world.
Right now. Germany, UK, Australia, Canada, Spain, France etc etc etc USA has more people than those countries combined. I doubt liter bikes are selling much better in the UK btw

If year after year MA can not get 10 proper SB's together, then change!! Change the rules to encourage more teams. Make it cheaper. Promote differently.Partner with a celeb? K Reeves for example. Partner with a streamer for a show like mentioned above.Think outside the box. Give sponsors a reason to want to be in . Hospitality is huge in Europe. It is a great place for networking. B to B

The current formula is not working. Why would I spend another $150 on TV for 8 bikes in the top class? Give me a reason. I am already getting and paying for incredible racing from WSBK and MotoGP. I only have so much time.

ALSO ..Imagine how deep the fields would be if all the teams etc from Hooligans ( another outside the norm series) were in SS, or twins etc. Or partnered to do superbike? How many fast Americans would come out of those shark infested waters. Instead, we have 7 classes to promote, officiate, transport etc.

After the absolute shit show that was DMG MA came in with an attitude towards pure road racing and a place for US riders to excel and move on. That is why I watch all the qualifying and races for most classes.

PS Riders getting paid. Herfoss can ride for the same amount of money on a bagger and the series is even more popular than now say. OR He can ride A Tytler's BMW in the current series. You know where he and most would go.

PS My friends all follow all these series. Not one of us owns a bike right now. We love the sport.

 

You can't compare racing in Europe to racing in the US. In Europe, you can grab a $30 flight TOMORROW to fly across the continent. In the US, that same flight would be $1,000. In Europe, you can drive between tracks on the calendar in a half day. In the USA, that's 3-4 days of driving.

We've talked about this before: the USA is too large and its too expensive for teams to race on opposite sides of the country. Anything travel related is too expensive in the USA.

Just my little example: I ran my XR1200 at Daytona. I had no crew. I can't begin to tell you how expensive that was for me.

Most of the population of the USA is located on the East Coast. I'm guessing that's where all the bike sales are, too. MA probably needs to make the series all happen east of the Mississippi.

 

V&H wasn't in MA until the baggers. Baggers, the Potato Potato bikes and drag racing is where the core of their business is. They left sportbikes years ago.

Shit, they left roadracing decades ago and if it wasn't for the clown classes I doubt they'd be back.

 

Maybe that is what needs to be done until they get a beachhead. Merge then when they are on solid footing? It still blows my mind when I see the money in amateur car racing compared to what I see in MA. MA needs to attract more Stracks for fun, but give them a reason to be there financially.