Legit electric car question

What ICE vehicles qualify for tax credits from the government?
Capitalism at work? Lol.

 

Fun facts.

EVs have 79% more reliability problems than gas cars, says
Consumer Reports
https://archive.ph/s5hCl

Electric vehicles: A tale of woe in the absence of the market process
https://archive.ph/FbrQQ

 

I don't get what the debate is about.

EVs are wonderful tools for in-city commuting. They're quiet and intelligent tools great at getting people from home to work, and about town. A 100 mile range is all most people need for this category.

EVs suck at doing certain jobs, like long distance driving or towing. Get the right tool for the job.

I have no doubt that EVs will be dominant on the roads, but that day is still quite a ways off.

 

Can't you just enjoy a good purse fight? It can be very entertaining.

 

OK, carry on then haha

 

There's age related bias in all of this. I try to relate it to the development of computers to my father. They weren't part of his life until very late in his life. He had zero interest in them. My nephew on the other hand doesn't know life without a computer. It is a foreign concept to him to not have a computer in the house. His kids certainly don't know life without them and quite frankly I don't think they could manage to survive without them.

If all you have ever driven is gas powered vehicle then that's what you know and are comfortable with. That creates an aversion to EVs. There will be a time when EVs are just a normal product in the marketplace and not just this niche things that only fits into certain lifestyles. I think that's a way off but it will happen. I can see places they fit and make sense. If I was a metro dweller and never moved more than 50 miles from my house at any time, then it would be the right choice. Currently for anyone doing any serious travel or having to move heavy objects they just are not practical. Forget the bullshit environmental arguments. If we all gave a shit about the environment we would walk or still be riding horses. In most cases we care about convenience and getting to where we want to go. That's where you start to lose my when talking about the positives of EVs. Just tell me you want one because you like them. That's as far as you need to go. You aren't saving the planet or polluting less you are just obscured a little from where the pollution is really taking place.

Carry on in your mostly silent and boring journey.

 

Wrong.

What create an aversion to EV’s are the smug evangelists and the coercive actions by “those people” to force adoption.

There were discussions in 2015 whether to wait for the Model 3 to actually be available, as opposed to getting the A4 for Cuntbag.

Would have been practical for her.

Not a chance in hell a Ray-o-Vac ElectroSedan would ever make sense for me. And the cunts who keep up with the “we’ll make you” saw on November 6th what that kind of shit is going to get them.

 

As someone who lives in a large city, EV’s aren’t ideal for that environment either. Folks live in condos, apartments, or like me, a rowhome. There are very few households with dedicated parking.

I park on the street, and it rarely ends up being in front of my house. And even if I could snag a spot right in front of my house, there’s no practical way to run a charging cord across the sidewalk to plug into the EV. People would trip on it, it would get damaged or vandalized, or even stolen.

About the only way it can somewhat be practical is if you don’t put much milage on it during the week, then take it to a nearby charging station on the weekend to charge up.

 

Cause we all know large city power grids NEVER go out when demand increases.

 

…and can’t be sold in most places like the US ‘cause they don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of surviving a round of crash tests…

 

I remember brown outs during sweltering july/August months from heavy draw

Now, they've shut down 3 different electric plants on my side of the state for emissions nonsense.

Trenton is putting in some mega battery storage facility that will re-power the grid during heavy peak hrs

All of this as more and more people bring home vehicles sucking 30 Amps or more .

Seems like the perfect storm to me.

 

See what I mean? Instant classic .

 

We don't speak of Freightliner transmission issues around here.

I have no idea how they screwed up the DT12 this badly when the older models are actually decent.

From what I'm hearing the dealers won't touch the transmissions anymore, if you need transmission work you're just getting a replacement.

We have a few new ones and they all shift like it's their first day on the job. There's one truck I plain refuse to drive because I choose life. I have no interest in pulling out into the middle of an intersection and then the truck stopping because it can't find a gear.

 

We covered this pages ago in more detail. The vast majority of EVs charge at night when loads are the lightest and the growth in renewable sources more than accounts for any needed increase for transportation electrification.

 

That're sold in many other developed countries with similar safety standards. EVs are generally safer because the crash zones can offer more crumple room since they don't have to prevent the engine block from intruding in the passenger compartment. The legacy car manufacturers lobbied the administration to put 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs because the US products can't compete, no other reason.

 

It's all relative. I live in a big city and I do not have charging at my townhouse. There are charging stations all over town of various speeds / costs that I could use, but I rarely use anything other than the chargers at the gym because they're free at both gyms I go to (the parking lot charges a fee to park, but the gym validates parking, soo...). Even beyond that, I also don't put a ton of miles on my car and I think that would be pretty standard for a majority of people living in a big city. Most necessities and travel distances are rather short compared to rural or suburb type areas, so I've put 16k miles on my car over 26 months. I also ride my motorcycle sometimes and I commute to work a few days a week on a bicycle (just started that a couple months ago), so I suspect my annual mileage to drop a bit more even.

Conversely, my parents live in rural Ohio. They're looking into getting an EV because they can just charge at home nightly and their energy costs per KWH are pretty low. My dad is old school loves gas cars and all that, but he too sees a nice benefit in fewer moving parts, lower operating costs, etc.

It's still very far from a universal benefit for everyone, but it is increasingly becoming more viable. I'm not for the forcing of EVs on anyone at all and I think the gov should sit that out. I am for more ev charging stations opening, seeing progress in both range and charging speeds, and people having options to buy and sue what works for them.

 

Most of us are lucky in that we can and do own multiple vehicles. PU trucks, cars, sports cars and multiple MC's. Many of our neighbors might not be so inclined. For them a car must do multiple duties and THAT pretty much kills an EV. I own 2 cars, 2 trucks, besides the tractors and MCs and if I got an EV I would still need the other vehicles to do what I do. Perhaps I could ditch the corvette....er no, f*ck that idea.