Finally watched the video. Taken in context his comments are fine. He is talking to new riders trying to cope with a racetrack for the first time. Nothing at all wrong with them riding through the corners with maintenance to light throttle and learning to feel how the motorcycle reacts. Far better than novice group riders trying to brake to thier perceived apex and cleaning out another rider.... Absolutes when it comes to riding technique, suspension setup or most anything else is foolish and as likely to be wrong as they are right in different situations.
I think someone is forgetting that the faster way around a corner or racetrack is not the most physically stable chassis position. Frequently, you are putting the bike is a less stable chassis attitude to maximize what you have. So, while a little gas way before the apex is safe and stable, there are grids full of racers that would disagree with you that it is the fastest way around a corner. Mainly because you will be the slowest to the apex. On the other hand, I think it is also easy to forget that the practice of trail-to-just-before-the-apex scenario is an ideal. When you are on your game, yeah, it feels the fastest and most responsive. Problem is, most of us (non racers) aren't there yet. A lot don't even carry excess speed into a corner to even know was trailing is. The ones that do, most are done well before the apex. Then what? In that situation in conjuction with having seen the apex and the exit line, adding a little throttle is the most appropriate thing to do. It's so obvious in practice. The language/syntax that he uses is garbled as he is trying to create a catch phrase for the internet.
some corners are so long that its not possible to brake that deep and hold the brake on that long. but it would be faster if those were possible. and for short late apex corners, I def hold the brake as far as I can. T9 at Fontana is a fun one where you can literally turn completely around before letting go of the brake. considering that the first word in the title of this thread is "brake", y aren't u talking about braking...
I think we can all agree that learning something to go fast only to unlearn it in order to go faster, delays your learning curve and increases the chances of a fall. There are schools or/and riding coaches that do a great job.
I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say here. Even if it's a blind corner, don't most fast racers still accelerate through the corner even if it's blind? To Dave's point, the track is predictable in the fact that you know some blue hair won't be backing out of her driveway in front of you, so once you learn the track and know which way the turn goes you accelerate at the same point each lap even if you can't see the exit.
Yep, you don’t have to see the exit to know it’s there, and that you need to be WFO before you get there. At Barber, it seems like damn near every corner you are either tipping in on the brakes, or hammering on the gas, without being able to see where you will end up. You just have to know “if I brake till here, start pouring on the gas and standing the bike up here, my tires will clip the curbing on exit over there”.
All Im saying is, Dave is making a general statement that is generally correct. Yes, lots of circumstances can change but, it's still generally correct. I think people are taking what he's saying as though he's telling the fastest way around every corner of every track in the world and he isn't.
Again, I understand that. But in the video I believe his intention is that he is speaking in general knowledge terms to relatively inexperienced riders.
Then he should be giving them real world knowledge that if you know the turn goes right at the top of a blind turn (to Broome's example of Barber, let's say turn 4) then you know at which point you need to accelerate, knowing where the turn goes. Telling a newbie to not accelerate when you can't see the exit is a bit counterproductive to teaching someone how to go fast around a racetrack, newbie to not.
You said... So the assumption to a newbie would be "if you can't see the exit then don't accelerate" when the better advice would be "once you learn the turn you will know where to start accelerating". The goal is to always accelerate through the corner when you're done with your braking, whether it's a blind corner or not.
I understand that. And yes, you got me on my own words but, again, he isn't implying things the way it's being picked apart. Yes, I agree that a newbie could take it the wrong way.
Guys... The only true acceleration happens when you can take away lean angle. There are blind corners where you can start accelerating because you know where your exit apex is but the general consensus is that you can take away lean angle when you "see" your exit. I'm talking about true, hard acceleration not a 2 mile speed increase
pretty much. if its an exit corner, ill brake to a little before the apex and get on the gas early. if its an entry corner, I may brake past the apex. if the corner is long and I must hold constant speed for a bit, ill brake as far as possible. whenever I don't do this, im either slower or I tuck the front.