205mph Kid Posts on BBS

Judge: "Officer, what did you clock him at?"

Officer: "205 MPH, but that might be a little off; he was moving so fast."

Judge: "Would you estimate his speed at greater than 150MPH?"

Officer: "Yes, Your Honor, I would."

Judge: "Then we'll reduce the ticket to 150 in a 65 zone, which is automatically reckless driving. Young man, how do you plead?"

This kid has just brought a ton of bad publicity to all sportbike riders. The AMA should not help him at all.

 

Again, prove it. It is up to the officer to prove guilt, not estimate. The officer was in an airplane and in no way could judge speed (As I said before, I got off a ticket because the cop didn't write down how he clocked me...prove it). All he can testify to is that said motorist was going A LOT faster then everyone else, if there was traffic being past. Again, my argument is not that this kid is innocent, just not proven guilty. And that is the foundation of our justice system.....or at least on paper it is.

Judge: "Why do you want a warrant"

Officer: "We estimate there is dope in this house, but we don't know for sure"

Judge: "what is your best guess?"

Officer: "Yes, Your Honor, I would think so, he has a nice car."

 

Forget it.

I give up.

Just let the boy go.

Natural selection will solve the problem (unless he learns not to speed).

 

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If it can be proven that the bike is not capable of 205 mph, the speeding charges are invalid. Period. That part of the ticket NEEDS to be dropped.

Reckless driving? Even going HALF the cited speed, that would be true. That much should stand.

As for being that stupid without a valid driver's license, well, that speaks for itself.

The main problem is, once you've got The Spotlight Of Publicity shining down on your head, there's no way you're going to get fair treatment. This case is no longer about an individual; it is a Media Occurrence, and the chances of it being resolved in any sort of reasonable manner are next to nil. I feel for the guy on that level. Even if he *was* an idiot for putting himself into that position to begin with.

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=c.

 

Based on the motorcycle's actual top speed, the cop blew his estimate by at least 65 mph! How can ANY other estimate hold up in court? The ticket already proves he had absolutely no idea how fast the kid was traveling. None whatsoever. There is no way to prove he was not doing 55 mph. And if he was doing 55, what was he doing that was so reckless? People can think whatever they want of him as far as social responsibility, he is innocent as far as the law is concerned (as he cannot be proven guilty) and should be let go.

 

just because the bike isn't capable of 205 sure as hell doesn't mean he wasn't easily doing twice the speed limit, so why should they just drop it?

if they drop the speeding part and the extreme speed is the reason for giving him the wreckless, how can they enforce the wreckless?

 

And that is my point about the AMA getting involved. Lets recap.....


Man gets killed by man running a stop sign = 6 months

Man gets unachievable ticket = possible 6 months and fines

Where is the is so-called political help?

they can't.....no differnet then finding dope in a house when there is no warrant and no just cause.....

 

I see that this thread has now been appropriately situated in the Forum For People Who Don't "Get Over It", Ever...

And yeah, that's (the AMA part) the point. Sure, the ticket may be dismissable on a technicality... but it won't be, because anyone who does that is risking the Wrath Of Public Opinion. If the police back down on the ridiculous speed claim, they are Promoting Unsafe Behavior; and similarly, if the AMA steps in, they are Condoning Unsafe Behavior, and the W.O.P.O. will bitch-slap them silly. Which is NOT going to help "the cause", for anyone.

 

RC51

An RC51 @205mph, only if it was dropped from and helicopter not timed from one

 

Cool - a motorcycle thread in P&R.

Even if they didn't clock the speed they can always write him up for too fast for conditions - that's a judgement call and is extremely difficult to beat in court. I once got one on I-95 in Philly on a day when it was 80 degrees and sunny.

And speeding isn't a prerequisite for a citation for reckless driving - that's often just tacked on when the cop gets PO'ed.

 

Hmm. gonna have to swing this thread over.

Bush will be elected in November and all you sissy Phil Donahue wanna be Kerry supporters can just get over it.

Oh, and the kids' dad is a cop.

 

And no motorcycle license. And going like a bat out of hell. The point is not wether he was going 195, 198.3, or 205. He was going WAY over the limit and the only good thing that may come out of this is this dumbass not being on a bike ever again.

 

How does anybody know this? The cop obviously has no idea how fast he was going. Who else was there?

 

The kid has replied on some motorcycle forums that he had it revved out in sixth. I don't even think it is debatable that he deserves a reckless driving ticket.

 

I was thinking about it from a legal standpoint. When he stands before the judge, all the evidence against him is a police officer saying he did 205 mph on a 170 mph bike.

 

I agree. I sure am no lawyer, but I would guess a good one could get that thrown out. My opinion is that I hope he gets the book thrown at him. The judge's opinion may differ. I am certainly not taking a "holier than though" attitude about this because I definitely admit to speeding. I haven't maxed out my street bike yet, but who knows, that perfect road with the perfect straight may be right there someday. The only one with a "holier than though" attitude right now is the sadly misinformed cop who refuses to admit that he made an error in judgement.

 

Motorcyclist says he was going fast, but not 205 mph
Matt Mckinney, Star Tribune
October 20, 2004 SPEED1020


A motorcyclist who set jaws dropping across the nation last month when he was stopped for going 205 miles per hour south of the Twin Cities tells a reporter for Midwest Quick Throttle Magazine in an upcoming issue that he was going closer to half that speed, said magazine editor Pat Andrews.

The interview was apparently the first for media-shy Samuel Tilley, 20, of Stillwater, who has not spoken publicly about his record-setting ticket since he was stopped near Wabasha on Sept. 18.

"He's beside himself about the whole thing," Andrews said Tuesday evening.

Tilley said in the interview that he's not sure exactly how fast he was going because he was watching the road and another rider who was nearby, said Scottie Ard, who wrote the story for Quick Throttle. The other rider was ticketed for going 111 mph.

Samuel Tilley"He doesn't know how he could have been going 205 miles per hour, especially when the guy he was with was going 111," Andrews said.

A Minnesota State Patrol pilot saw Tilley from the air and used a stopwatch to time him as he passed quarter-mile markers along Hwy. 61. The pilot's reading of 4.39 seconds translated into Tilley's 205 mph speed.

Tilley's ticket, posted on the Internet at www.thesmokinggun.com, has fueled heated conversations among motorcycle enthusiasts, with many doubting that Tilley's Honda RC51 could reach such high speeds.

Tilley told the Quick Throttle that tests conducted recently at Hitman Motor Sports in White Bear Lake revealed his bike's top speed to be 159 mph. "You strap the bike down and power it up," Andrews said. "You check horse power, power curve and max speed on it. It doesn't lie."

Tilley has turned down repeated requests for interviews. Andrews said Tilley finally spoke to Quick Throttle reporter Brett Dahl after the two saw each other at Treasure Island Casino, where Dahl works. Dahl, an "extreme motorcycle enthusiast," found Tilley inside the casino after someone told him he was there with friends. Dahl then promised to portray him kindly, said Andrews.

Andrews said Tilley has been embarrassed by the notoriety of his ticket. "He doesn't want to be known as the person who was giving motorcyclists a bad name, or causing insurance rates to go up or even being a reckless individual," he said.

Tilley showed up at Yarusso Bros. Italian Restaurant in St. Paul on the restaurant's "bike night" on Oct. 6 to sign T-shirts, Andrews said. The money raised was sent to Gillette Children's Hospital.

"He was the belle of the ball," Ard said. "Every rider there wanted to speak with Sam Tilley."

Tilley is scheduled to appear in Wabasha County Court on Oct. 25.

 

You need to put the drugs down.