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There is hope for my generation!!

Discussion in 'The Dungeon' started by Lever, May 9, 2004.

  1. Lever

    Lever Well-Known Member

    Visit protestwarriors.com - A conservative, grass roots movement that is starting to free the college campuses of the propaganda being spewed on the students by an overwhelmingly liberal bias from the college professors. The have some hilarious videos on there of them crashing protests in california...check them out...san francisco might as well be the moscow of the 80s:(
     
  2. panthercity

    panthercity Thread Killa

    Tried to, no such site...
     
  3. HPPT

    HPPT !!!

    Go Elvis

    Return to sender,
    Address unknown,
    No such number...
     
  4. Lever

    Lever Well-Known Member

  5. WeaselBob

    WeaselBob Well-Known Member

    that is ignorant and insulting. do you have any proof of this outrageous claim, other than that bullshit, totally unreliable study crap that was circulated and overwhelmingly debunked a year or so ago? (some dork-head designed a survey to produce the results needed to confim his claim about evil, liberal professors...and rubes like Rush parroted it to fools like you that believed it before they ever read or analyzed the collection method and resulting data)

    By trying to label a large mass of individuals as having the same ideology and subversive purpose--you make yourself look like the a totally stupid ass, and if you believe that bullshit, then you are stupid enuf to be coerced by anyone.

    go protest something with foundation... but then that might require some insight
     
  6. Lever

    Lever Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: There is hope for my generation!!

    :rolleyes: Were you born in a box? This is a small watch list of professors pushing their political ideology on their classes...just one example of many...get with the program

    Your Proof
     
  7. dave333

    dave333 traveler

    Welllllll...

    gotta like it...
     
  8. panthercity

    panthercity Thread Killa

  9. panthercity

    panthercity Thread Killa

    OK, I read part of it. But I had to quit. Gotta burn some beef for the MIL in a little while and didn't want to ruin my appitite.

    So, Greenie, these shining lights of your generation are fighting for the American way, which is their way and their way alone and if you don't believe it and agree with it, you're unamerican.

    Have I got this right, er, correct?
     
  10. Lever

    Lever Well-Known Member

    Not really...i just admire there efforts to finally take the initiative to combat the left wing nuts on their own turf...conservatives usually just take it as opposed to firing back...i haven't actually read the whole site...i just like the videos..
     
  11. WeaselBob

    WeaselBob Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Re: There is hope for my generation!!

    care to verify that? who put them on the "watch list? how were they selected? is your shit verifiable or some low-brow slandererous campaign by some right-wing whacko? or from some pissed of kid who flunked? are they responsible and monitor and update the list? have they revealed how they compiled it? let me know oh savior of the damned? enlighten us please...

    And for that matter, how does a prof FORCE his beliefs on a student?

    you think the students are to stupid to make their own minds? I've probably had 50 dif profs in my life, and worked with more, I can't recall one that aggressively voiced his ideology. Most will facilitate discussions but are keenly aware that they have a position of power and act responsibly. If these evil profs are so bad, why didn't it work on you? or are you to enlightened to succomb and you're saving the rest of us form damnation

    your original post said "overwhelmingly liberal bias from the college professors" can you quantify that or are you living in a box parroting some crap off a third-rate home-made site

    I'm all for anyone being able to vice their opinions and protest in any fashion. but when a dumb fuck tries to pigeon-hole and discredit with generalities I get enraged.

    using your logic I might concur that since: I raced an F2 against five F3s, I beat three of them, and one of them ate chihuahua dicks, and two got lost on he way home... so we should all rise up against ALL the F3 racers cuz their slow and stupid and suck chihuahua dicks

    Please respond and support your claims
     
  12. chameleon68

    chameleon68 Anti-whatever

    Here we go picking on colleges again...and "left-wing nuts" too. Two for the price of one :)

    Ya know, with so much against good conservative kids, I don't know how they make it to adulthood.

    green, have you stopped to think for one split-second that people are just people? It shouldn't be one side against the other. To be honest, I've never seen anyone that's totally left or totally right. There are lots of grey areas in people and not all of it is in their brains where it's supposed to be.

    As for me, I've been labeled many things, tree-hugging lesbian-lover included. I've never seen myself as liberal or conservative, but I have many opinions as to what's right and wrong. That doesn't mean they're all correct, but they're my opinions and I'm free to change them at any time just like anyone else.

    As for college professors brain-washing the next generation to be liberal nuts, I think it's a crock. More brain-washing occurs in our churches and our homes than in college. By brain-washing I mean discouraging people to think for themselves which some NOT ALL churches and homes do.

    As someone whos' in college albeit not during my impressionable years (whatever those are), I can tell you that most students are terrified of professors and won't speak to them in or out of class. Also, most don't pay one bit of attention to what they say whether it's related to the subject they're learning or not. So am I supposed to believe that professors are turning the good, God-loving conservatives into lesbian tree-huggers? I doubt it very seriously no matter what ONE study says. Show me three from unbiased sources that say the same thing and I'll believe it.
     
  13. guerrilla

    guerrilla Real King of the Jungle

    Re: Re: There is hope for my generation!!

    My favorite example:
    Dr. Carrie Foster Miami University (OHIO) circa 1990. This broad was a crazy socialist hippee! She taught...are you ready for this...American History. :D She was the weirdest lunatic of a woman you will ever meet. You couldn't remotely begin to hang from her conspiracy theory nutsack! If you tried to argue with her she would FLIP and go off on a wild anti american rant that even the craziest Muslim Extremest would find a little over the edge! (I had her for US History 1900-1960 and US History 1960-Present they were the most entertaining classes I ever took!!!!! She spent 3 full weeks trying to convince us that our Government Killed JFK!)

    I ran across at least 20 professors with an agenda while in college if you are trying to tell me they aren't there you are crazier than I thought!
     
    Last edited: May 9, 2004
  14. WeaselBob

    WeaselBob Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Re: There is hope for my generation!!

    I seriously doubt you ran across 20, or did you make a really, really bad choice of schools?I'd bet in 4 or 5 years you didn't have more than 30 total???

    and as the lizard pointed out... did it warp you??? doesn't sound like it turned you into a tree-hugging, lesbian-loving hippy (except for maybe the Lipstick Lesbians aka strippers on Springer) :D

    if it was really, really bad, the students should file complaints with department heads, and if that doesn't work go to the next level... schools are very conscious of keeping kids and parents happy... they need that tuition coming in, to much academic competition these days... even the tenured ones can get canned for crap ike that.

    ever get the wireless working? welcome home :D
     
  15. Lever

    Lever Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Re: Re: There is hope for my generation!!

    "Please respond and support your claims"

    First off...i'm not going to go out and look for every valid claim of a professors bias...not worth my time...because i've experienced it FIRST HAND...from high school through college i had bias teachers and professors..and why would teachers promote leftists ideologies? What motive could they possibly have? <granted this is not universal amongst teachers> Lets look at both parties...the right wing promotes responsiblity and accountability...you do good...you get the money...what does the left support? Separating races because blacks are obviously inadequate compared to the whitees and foreigners...no accountability - let's throw more money at the problems and hope they go away...increase the teachers salaries then maybe they'll care more..so let's see...republicans...more controls and guidelines and raised standard bars...democrats...no controls/less demand on teachers/more money for salaries...hmm..which should my student vote for? While that is a small argument which i actually doubt myself...it is one many people believe is true...however for your further ranting enjoyment i've included this article :D

    The Problem with America's Colleges and The Solution
    By David Horowitz
    FrontPageMagazine.com | September 3, 2002

    Universities are among our most important social institutions. They educate our youth, train future leaders, provide information and research, advance scientific and medical knowledge, generate technological innovation, and shape the attitudes that define us as a people. Yet universities are also anomalies in our national framework. Vital as they are to the functioning of our democracy, they are themselves undemocratic.

    Overall, there is little or no accountability on the part of these institutions to the wider community that supports them and underwrites the affluence to which their principals have become accustomed. Whether private or public, whether operating under the aegis of state-appointed boards or private corporations, universities are effectively ruled by internal bureaucracies, which operate under a cloak of secrecy and are protected from oversight by privileges and traditions that date back to feudal times.

    Thus, academic hiring committees are elitist and self-selecting, and function like medieval guilds to insulate themselves from external scrutiny. Once an academic hire is made, faculty "tenure" provides lifetime employment to the competent and the incompetent, the scholar and the ideologue alike. This means that outside the hard sciences and practical professions, there is no bottom-line in the university for bad ideas or discredited doctrines. Working in combination with these academic realities, the tolerant attitudes of a free society have made it possible for ideological minorities in the social sciences and related fields to enforce a political conformity otherwise incomprehensible in a modern democracy.

    As a result, while the red and blue electoral map reveals an America that is almost evenly divided between Republicans and Democrats, in the nation's universities Republicans (and conservatives) have become almost as rare as unicorns. In most schools, Republicans are less well represented than Greens, Marxists and sects of the far left. This is an indefensible situation with far-reaching implications.

    "Diversity" may be one of the contemporary university's most cherished values, but university officials with near universality have interpreted diversity to mean anything but a plurality of viewpoints — arguably the most important diversity of all. What is knowledge if it is thoroughly one-sided, or intellectual freedom if it is only freedom to conform? And what is a "liberal education," if one point of view is for all intents and purposes excluded from the classroom? How can students get a good education, if they are only being told one side of the story? The answer is they can't. Even for $30,000 a year.

    In the spring of 2002, a dinner was held at Harvard to celebrate the 20th anniversary of the Salient, a conservative campus paper not supported by the university. One of the dinner speakers was the Salient's lone faculty sponsor, Professor Harvey Mansfield — so notorious for being the only outspoken conservative at Harvard that this oddity was the focus of a New York Times feature story. The other speaker was National Review managing editor Jay Nordlinger, whose talk was titled, "The Conservative on Campus:" I attended the University of Michigan, class of '86. To say the place was soaked in political correctness is to say too little. You got the clear sense that if you weren't careful in what you said or did things could turn out badly for you. Ideology — not scholarship, not learning — was king on that campus ("dictator" would be a better word.)

    A fellow student who took chemistry, physics, and the other hard sciences came back to the dorm one day to say that one of his instructors had spent the whole session talking up the Communist guerrillas in El Salvador. This was in math or some similar subject. Professors and — even more — teaching assistants were using their lecterns as political podiums. They were proselytizing and indoctrinating. I thought this was wrong — quite apart from my own political beliefs, which were just forming. I thought: "You know, I wouldn't do this, if I had this power, this responsibility — the academic lectern."

    Political indoctrination in the classroom and the exclusion of conservatives from college faculties are violations of academic freedom and an offense to the very concept of a liberal education. The introduction of political agendas into the curriculum is a product of forces unleashed in the 1960s, which have consciously transformed universities into the political monoliths they have become.

    It is time to remind ourselves that not so long ago the consensus of educators was that political indoctrination in the classroom by professors of whatever persuasion was an unacceptable abuse. The 1967 "Joint Statement on Rights and Freedoms of Students" adopted by the American Association of University Professors clearly states that the "freedom to teach and freedom to learn" are inseparable. Responding to a controversy over a course at UC Berkeley in the spring of 2002, UC Chancellor Robert Berdahl said, "It is imperative that our classrooms be free of indoctrination — indoctrination is not education." Unfortunately, there is virtually no college administration today — including that of UC Berkeley — that is willing to defend this student right.

    What can be done about the current state of affairs? The answer begins with the recognition that this situation has developed because of the public's inattention to what happens inside the institutions that its tuition fees, tax dollars, and voluntary contributions make possible. The remedy lies first in insisting on greater scrutiny of these institutions, and second on resolving that the abuses will be corrected.

    The Center for the Study of Popular Culture in conjunction with other interested organizations is therefore launching a "Campaign for Fairness and Inclusion in Higher Education." Its agenda is to call on university administrations to implement the following five demands:

    1. Conduct an inquiry into political bias in the hiring process for faculty and administrators, and seek ways to promote fairness towards — and inclusion of — diverse and under-represented mainstream perspectives;

    2. Conduct an inquiry into political bias in the selection of commencement speakers and seek ways to promote fairness towards — and inclusion of — diverse and under-represented mainstream perspectives;

    3. Conduct an inquiry into political bias in the allocation of student program funds — including speakers' fees — and seek ways to promote fairness towards and inclusion of diverse and under-represented mainstream perspectives;

    4. Institute a zero tolerance policy towards the obstruction of campus speakers and meetings and the destruction of informational literature distributed by campus groups.

    5. Adopt a code of conduct for faculty that ensures that classrooms will welcome diverse viewpoints and not be used for political indoctrination, which is a violation of students' academic freedom.

    Some may be skeptical of an appeal to university authorities, to solve a problem which they have helped to create. We believe, however, that the principles of fairness and inclusion resonate so deeply with the American people and the American character that they will find a response in the university community. Chancellor Berdahl's statement is evidence of this potential. But because the violation of student and faculty rights has been so long-standing and systemic, we are appealing directly to the trustees and state-appointed governing bodies of these institutions as well.

    We call on state legislatures in particular to begin these inquiries at the institutions they are responsible for and to enact practical remedies as soon as possible. We do not think this would pose any significant problem for academic freedom. Quite the contrary. The principle of diversity is well established in federal law and has been accepted by virtually all existing collegiate administrations. By adding the categories of political and religious affiliation to Title IX and other existing legislation, the means are readily available — without jeopardizing the integrity and independence of the university system — to redress an intolerable situation involving illegal and unconstitutional hiring methods along with teaching practices that are an abuse of academic freedom.
     
  16. WeaselBob

    WeaselBob Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Re: There is hope for my generation!!

    well, that's ONE, holy shit, ONE ... greenie is making it sound like it's the norm
     
  17. Lever

    Lever Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Re: Re: There is hope for my generation!!

    Mine was actually closer to 12-15
     
  18. WeaselBob

    WeaselBob Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: There is hope for my generation!!

    yo still didn;t... that's an op-ed article... is doesn't support shit... it's just a more articulate version of your bitch. did I see any validation of your claims?

    NO

    it's fucking hilarious, he's claiming that universities are this elitist society with an inate bias to eliminate comservatives.

    HELLLLOOOOO a conspiracy? oh fuck you're funny? they're out to GET YOU


    and what's the lead story on FrontPage.com???

    Hillary's Secret War to Silence Internet Journalists

    Come on dude, this is your source for validation? jesus this shit is the national enquirer online? you're kidding right?

    maybe I'd suggest you learn to back up your claims with a little more than a Google search?

    what else is on this credible sight? Hillary is secretly planning to boot Kerry at the last minute so she can take control of the White House... Oh yeah... you got credible sources

    Back to your outstanding defense article... they mention the The Center for the Study of Popular Culture.. whose there featured speaker coming up? none other that the totally unbiased Ann Coulter??

    Oh shit I give up... if you find credibility in this crap go ahead... you're hopeless... dude you are hopeless..

    :eek: :eek: quick, better lock your doors, the liberals are gonna getcha when you go to sleep and brainwash you (looks like it only takes a minute)
     
  19. WeaselBob

    WeaselBob Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: There is hope for my generation!!

    12 or 15 total, or 12 or 15 that tried to poison your mind?

    and pray tell give us an example... how'd they do this in a math class, or language? bet they showed films with subliminal messages and hidden peace signs
     
  20. Lever

    Lever Well-Known Member

    i see we are going to get into a broken record type format where i prove it to you over and over and over and you come back with the same pithy comments because you can't simply see that i am right...just as there is a liberal bias in the media - your attempts to belittle my comments by spewing crap on this board about some conspiracy, etc...there is an overwhelming liberal bias amongst college professors...did i ever say...every college professor is a left wing nut? no...there are conservative biased professors, but on a much larger scale...you simply didn't see it when you went to college because you'd been brainwashed into thinking such ideologies are common place in todays institutes of higher education...Among public universities it, especially law schools, a majority of professors have all been found to be overwhelmingly liberal...
     

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