Tesla Truck reveal happening now.

Every time there is one of these threads about the direction society is going I can't help but think what a brilliant man George Orwell was...

 

Only if you plan to give Methuselah a run for his money.

 

So californistan is good with IC engines, got it. Not illegal.

 

I plan to live forever. So far so good.

 

Yes he was, but his writings come from a long tradition as old as writing itself. The Bible identifies some of the hallmarks of fascism in Revelations. People would only be able to buy and sell with the mark of the beast, etc. Authoritarian impulses and people haven’t changed, only technology has. The struggle between individualism and collectivism is the root of most schisms in society and always has been.

 

Biofuels still run in what?
Oh yeah, IC engines. Hydrogen, biofuels, something not even out there yet. All alternatives to shitty, dirty EVs and the destruction their batteries bring.
As more real car companies get into EVs, the only death it will bring is that of the garbage build quality Tesla half-ass car company.
Lots of big money from the big companies in other technologies, including further fossil fuel efficiencies. The one that is most cost efficient to the people without "what way does the wind blow?" tax breaks will win.
So far, EVs are VERY far from that.

 

Which stocks?

 

Not illegal, however a percentage of all new vehicles sold must be "Zero Emissions Vehicles", and that percentage is not going to go down. On a related note, people on here old enough to remember the famous LA smog can clearly see the results of the strict California legislation.

 

They’re not old tech and have tons of life left. You’ll be dead long before they go out of widespread use. What’ll really happen is that they won’t be obviously predominant anymore. Electric vehicles are superior in most every way EXCEPT for the inherent limitations of battery technology. Range, charge time, climate variance, and mass are all inferior with electric. Electric does open up entirely new solutions both for individual transport units and systematically, so I expect to see them become a large part of the transport infrastructure.

If anything kills IC engines in cars it won’t be because batteries suddenly got better. It’ll be because new ownership and operating methodologies made electric a superior choice. I expect that to happen in 50ish years by transitioning car ownership to car access as a service. Personal air transport via drone also seems viable, and will probably become significant within the same timeframe.

 

You're leaving out the same thing most people on here leave out: Phasing out of IC vehicles is not being driven by the invisible hand of capitalism.

 

How old are you ? You keep saying in your lifetime, I'm 57 and it certainly won't happen in mine.

 

You may be looking at different indicators than I am to come to our respective conclusions. I'm 52.

 

So obvious, yet so readily dismissed or ignored by so many.

Rattlesnakes make much better pets than cats or dogs... they don't shed (often), don't have to go outside several times a day, don't bother the neighbors. Only issue is they're bitey.

 

Well, unfettered capitalism isn’t something that really exists in America. A large portion of the direction technology goes is determined by government policy and spending.


We charged the government with building infrastructure and managing transportation so pushing back on the negative externalities of fossil fuel vehicles is pretty much in line with what they’re supposed to do.

The predominance of IC vehicles is also supported by policy decisions and financial commitment from taxpayers, so I think doing the same for other technology is pretty much the same.

What I hate is when electrics or whatever technology are pushed because of baseless emotional irrationality instead of policy made on the basis of carefully considered research.

Instead of actively supporting electrics, I’d prefer to see us remove both direct and indirect support for fossil fuels. They have a lobby and power base though, so it’s probably not possible. This old adage is always true.

If it’s moving, tax it. If it’s still moving, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidize it.

 

You all are stupid. Those new fangled petroleum powered wagons are just a fad. Where will you fill up the tank when your in the middle of nowhere like Ohio or Kentucky? Sure they might be useful around the big cities like New York and Chicago but in the rural areas they will never totally replace the good of horse and buggy. And forget those silly 2 wheeled versions.... why would anyone deal with all that hassle when they can just jump on their horse and ride to town? Horse don’t need no gas, just water and grass.

-WERA BBS circa 1886

 

One important thing is that electric vehicles don’t necessarily need to attain the same energy densities as IC vehicles. Internal combustion engines need to be large to be efficient so it forces certain technical choices.

IMO, transportation as a service and increased urbanization will be the killer apps for electric cars. Electric vehicles are a better fit for corporate owned shared urban fleet vehicles with high utilization vs poorly utilized privately owned point to point cars. They also fit better into a multi modal regional transportation infrastructure.

 

I'm personally agnostic on the topic, just like on the topic of American-built sportbikes. Like most others, I'd get an EV if it met my needs. We just bought a new truck to replace our aging Range Rover, and we did discuss waiting for the Tesla truck announcement. I'm now glad we didn't for a number of reasons.

 

There is a difference between a stagecoach owner calling cars a fad and saying horses will be illegal by 1900.

 

They also fit squarely into the new ride-share model. It does make sense to call when you need a ride, rather than paying for a vehicle to sit idle in your driveway most of the time.

 

I am kind of agnostic but part of it for me is the mechanical noises produced by an IC. I like them and I like them more from inside the car than outside the car. I don't necessarily want to annoy everyone around me with an overly loud vehicle but I do really love sound of intake pulses. The IS-F we have in wonderful in that regard. The near silence of the electrics just makes them a little more bland to me and I don't think I would enjoy the ownership experience much.