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New gun bill may trigger next US revolution?

Discussion in 'The Dungeon' started by thrak410, Dec 31, 2012.

  1. thrak410

    thrak410 My member is well known

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-...ol-bill-will-trigger-next-american-revolution


    Interesting read, and makes some valid points. I'm sure the anti-2A people will try to debunk these conclusions, but its still food for thought.

    If confiscation comes, will you comply?

     
    Last edited: Dec 31, 2012
  2. Shyster d'Oil

    Shyster d'Oil Gerard Frommage

    The fat will never revolt.
     
  3. noobinacan

    noobinacan Well-Known Member

    :stupid:
     
  4. ryoung57

    ryoung57 Off his meds

    No, but when they get hungry they sure do.
     
  5. GRH

    GRH Well-Known Member

  6. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    I wouldn't tolerate seizure of my weapons. And I am sure as hell fat.
     
  7. Sheik Abdul ben Falafel

    Sheik Abdul ben Falafel Well-Known Member

    Its interesting to read

    my only issue with this is that the closest people in our country has come to revolting against anything in the last century and a half has been pretty much to the level of bitching and whining.

    I wonder if it will be differernt for the gun crowd. are they all huff and puff or will they actually blow the house down?
     
  8. Lever

    Lever Well-Known Member

    I stand with honeybooboo!
     
  9. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    What major things have we as a people lost to the government though? Especially things guaranteed in the constitution. I know the Patriot Act could possibly be used to circumvent some rights but so far it's not affecting many people at all, certainly not on the same scale as confiscation of all guns.
     
  10. Lever

    Lever Well-Known Member

    Yeah...but at least you're jolly :up: :D
     
  11. Shyster d'Oil

    Shyster d'Oil Gerard Frommage

    Your weapons will never be siezed* - that is part of the whole gun-fetishists fantasy/paranoia.



    *Unless the Feds monitor the BBS.
     
  12. Sheik Abdul ben Falafel

    Sheik Abdul ben Falafel Well-Known Member

    if you look back...we have lost a lot. you are a lot older than I, so i can assume you remember the times when the govt had less mandates over us a lot more than I do. Even i have seen changes for the worse as to what we are "forced" to do now vs. what we could do....or sometimes "asked" to do.

    take auto insurance for example. or how about mandates on business? One can argue that is a lot more important than guns. I love my guns, but i know that I need to make money to be able to afford these guns.

    as i look back at the second half of the 20th century. I see the govt doing pretty much anything it can do to put mandates forth under the guise of safety.

    going to apease the lowest common d is the american thing to do nowadays.
     
  13. HPPT

    HPPT !!!

    What a shameless thief. :D
     
  14. ryoung57

    ryoung57 Off his meds


    They've taken a lot of steps to organize and/or make the removal of our rights "legal" but they really haven't taken a lot of physical actions. Yes, you have to pay insurance, your taxes pay for things you don't like, and if you fly it's likely that some schlep will fondle your junk, but other than that, it's been mostly under the radar. Nobody's been put in a camp yet. Nobody's had their guns confiscated yet. Nobody's been assassinated on US soil (I know a handful of jihadists that were US citizens have been killed but they'd already declared themselves enemy combatants). Now when they DO start to take action, I think you'll see a much stronger response than just bitching and complaining.
     
  15. Sheik Abdul ben Falafel

    Sheik Abdul ben Falafel Well-Known Member

    i hope neither happens.

    we dont need the unrest.
     
  16. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Aut insurance has been required as long as I've been driving and I believe as long as I've been alive - but that doesn't matter since driving is and always has been a privilege that has had restrictions on it such as registration of the vehicle and licensing for the driver. Insurance is nothing more than either of those.

    I agree the government will do things using the safety of the people excuse. Some of it I may even agree with. However wholesale nuking of an amendment I just don't see happening. Something like the last ban sure, it was useless and did nothing and that's why it passed. It meant absolutely nothing and didn't infringe on anything, it was smoke and mirrors.
     
  17. Photo

    Photo Well-Known Member

  18. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

  19. ryoung57

    ryoung57 Off his meds

  20. Photo

    Photo Well-Known Member



    all of it?


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_government_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina
    Confiscation of civilian firearms
    Controversy arose over a September 8 city-wide order by New Orleans Police Superintendent Eddie Compass to local police, U.S. Army National Guard soldiers, and Deputy U.S. Marshals to confiscate all civilian-held firearms. "No one will be able to be armed," Compass said. "Guns will be taken. Only law enforcement will be allowed to have guns." Seizures were carried out without warrant, and in some cases with excessive force; one instance captured on film involved 58 year old New Orleans resident Patricia Konie. Konie stayed behind, in her well provisioned home, and had an old revolver for protection. A group of police entered the house, and when she refused to surrender her revolver, she was tackled and it was removed by force. Konie's shoulder was fractured, and she was taken into police custody for failing to surrender her firearm.[79][80] Even U.S. Army National Guard soldiers, armed with M16 assault rifles, were used for house to house searches, seizing firearms and attempting to get those remaining in the city to leave.[81]
    Angered citizens, backed by the National Rifle Association and other organizations, filed protests over the constitutionality of such an order and the difficulty in tracking seizures, as paperwork was rarely filed during the searches. Wayne LaPierre, CEO of the National Rifle Association, defended the right of affected citizens to retain firearms, saying that, "What we’ve seen in Louisiana - the breakdown of law and order in the aftermath of disaster - is exactly the kind of situation where the Second Amendment was intended to allow citizens to protect themselves." The searches received little news coverage, though reaction from groups such as the NRA, the Second Amendment Foundation, and Gun Owners of America was immediate and heated, and a lawsuit was filed September 22 by the NRA and SAF on behalf of two firearm owners whose firearms were seized. On September 23, the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana issued a restraining order to bar further firearms confiscations.[79]
    After refusing to admit that it had any seized firearms, the city revealed in mid-March that it did have a cache of some 1000 firearms seized after the hurricane; this disclosure came after the NRA filed a motion in court to hold the city in contempt for failure to comply with the U.S. District Court's earlier order to return all seized firearms. On April 14, 2006, it was announced that the city will begin to return seized firearms, however as of early 2008, many firearms were still in police possession, and the matter was still in court.[79] The matter was finally settled in favor of the NRA in October 2008. Per the agreement, the city was required to relax the strict proof of ownership requirements previously used, and was to release firearms to their owners with an affidavit claiming ownership and a background check to verify that the owner is legally able to possess a firearm.[82]
    Louisiana legislator Steve Scalise introduced Louisiana House Bill 760, which would prohibit confiscation of firearms in a state of emergency, unless the seizure is pursuant to the investigation of a crime, or if the seizure is necessary to prevent immediate harm to the officer or another individual. On June 8, 2006, HB 760 was signed into law.[83] 21 other states joined Louisiana in enacting similar laws. A federal law prohibiting seizure of lawfully held firearms during an emergency, the Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act of 2006, passed in the House with a vote of 322 to 99, and in the Senate by 84-16. The bill was signed into law by President Bush on October 9, 2006.[84
     

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