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MotoGP Jerez Testing 2019

Discussion in 'General' started by TX Joose, Nov 28, 2018.

  1. Ra.Ge. Raptor

    Ra.Ge. Raptor wanna_be_fast

    "Simon Patterson‏@denkmit
    Media centre theories are currently an arm for holding a sensor, or something that functions like a torque arm to keep weight on the rear during braking"

    when rear brake is applied,the caliper pushes the rod and loads the rear suspension (through the linkage) keeping the rear end (and thus the CoG) down. In theory ,this gives them the ability to brake harder
     
    Last edited: Nov 29, 2018
  2. pscook

    pscook Well-Known Member

    That makes sense as the Michelin rear slick is supposedly much better than the Bridgestone was, and the Michelin front is worse than the 'Stone, which requires using the rear tire for stopping (need to keep it on the ground during braking).
     
  3. Robin172

    Robin172 Well-Known Member

    But according to some "experts" no one uses the rear brake.
     
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  4. BigBird

    BigBird blah

    JLo said he never used it on the Yamaha, but had to use it frequently on the Ducati
     
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  5. Phanuel

    Phanuel Well-Known Member

    But he was using it to turn the bike by further slowing it while already in the corner, was he not?
     
  6. NemesisR6

    NemesisR6 Gristle McThornbody

  7. rcarson15

    rcarson15 Well-Known Member

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    Am I reading that right? Nakagami on top?!
     
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  8. BigBird

    BigBird blah

    Shucks, Cal may see his factory ride with a "return to sender" sticker. #japan

    Forget Zarco, Tech 3 is probably like WTF did we get ourselves into.
     
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  9. rafa

    rafa Well-Known Member

    Why is Bautista name there?
     
  10. BigBird

    BigBird blah

    see above, but he's filling in for Pirro
     
  11. RM Racing

    RM Racing Tool user

    Except in this case, the caliper is pulling on the rod.
     
  12. Ra.Ge. Raptor

    Ra.Ge. Raptor wanna_be_fast

    correct,but the linkage can be connected in a way that loads the suspension
     
  13. RM Racing

    RM Racing Tool user

    I'm not sure it's loading. If you load (compress) the rear suspension during straight-line braking, you pull the swingarm away from the track. It's already wagging in the air. It's a curious device.
     
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  14. Ra.Ge. Raptor

    Ra.Ge. Raptor wanna_be_fast

    I'm not sure either (how could I?),I'm just speculating :D
     
  15. TX Joose

    TX Joose Well-Known Member

    Have for Lorenzo naysayers changed their mind yet?
     
  16. NemesisR6

    NemesisR6 Gristle McThornbody

    I don't see how this would ever be possible.......the hardest you can brake is determined specifically by the amount of force that can be applied before physics takes over and starts to lift the rear tire. You could supplement the front brake with the rear (which some riders certainly do for a litany of reasons), but if grip is constant the front tire will always be doing 100% of the braking at the limit of deceleration.

    Now, if that apparatus is being used as a method of mid-corner adjustment (as Lorenzo alluded to in the article I posted from last year) by altering the geometry of the bike slightly during these brake applications, then I could see the purpose.
     
  17. RM Racing

    RM Racing Tool user

    I think it may be extending the suspension, overcoming the top out spring, trying to stick the rear wheel to the track. It also might be used during acceleration as most of these guys use the rear brake for controlling wheelies and grip exiting corners.
     
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  18. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    I think that if you can keep the COG lower the rear will stay on the ground longer. Ultimately yeah, front tire is doing it all and rear will come up since it's a bike.
     
  19. vizsladog

    vizsladog Well-Known Member

    Video on twitter shows a light coming on and shinning on the ground underneath the rear of the ducati when it leaves pit road.
     
  20. Ra.Ge. Raptor

    Ra.Ge. Raptor wanna_be_fast

    rear end aero . F1-style tail wings the next step :crackup:
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