how many track days a year

Because they find trackdays closer aligned with their own on track riding objectives. Using your logic, no one would go racing because it requires additional prep as compared to trackdays.

 

I’ve seen far more expensive get offs at trackdays then I ever have while racing. Not even close.
Although the ut most damaging yard sale get off have been while racing. Breaking a bike in half takes skill.

 

No, you're taking my words out of context, and as I previously stated, to which you coincidentally ignored, is that it's a sport of progression. The over whelming majority of people do not want to go from zero to hero on the racing grid.

 

Because they don’t have a desire to compete head to head.
Because they are getting additional track time between race weekends
Because they want to ride without speed limits or a clock

 

Sport of progression = learning curve. Which I have stated multiple times. “Trackdays do not change the riders learning curve process. A rider can very easily go through this same learning curve process with out any increased risk by racing as they can by doing a trackday. It’s up to the individual.” I don’t think I’ve ignored anything.

So it all comes down to individual choice. Some want to race. Some do not. Too each their own.

 

Because you can win a trackday.

 

And me suggesting to someone they get a handful of track days under their belt before gridding up hurts racing how again?

 

Never said they must. Your interpretation.

And you're not going to touch how different track day orgs classify riders? For fucks sake, people get their fucking EXPERT bump because they don't race against anyone. But yeah, I'll follow your lead on that - won't touch that.

You want to leverage your experience running WERA and bringing all sorts of riders of varying experience, but want to shit on my opinion after 6 years of racing experience. That's rich.

The opinion I've formed from dealing with a very large number of street and track day riders, to which I believe is the safest way of progression for an up and coming track rider.

That's rich.

 

Et tu, Mongo??? C'mon, man!

 

i like to ride my Harley

 

Mongo is not only killing road racing, he also killed Caesar.

 

The point is there is no set bar to be an Expert, much like there is no set bar to be an Intermediate rider. A 600 rider that gets bumped to Expert has quite a bit more experience than someone racing in one of the obscure classes I listed that only race against one or two other people throughout the year. Both finish in the top 5 for their class, sure, but one has undoubtedly has more "bar to bar" experience than the other. It's 2019 - we've all seen the FB posts with the guy talking about getting bumped despite missing X amount of rounds that season.

Suggesting someone get bumped to Intermediate, regardless of group, is the bar I use as it's a general indicator of their riding ability. You're getting hung up on the specific group, and completely missing my point. By that point, they've learned a ton about riding on the track, setting up passes, etc, whether it took them 6 track days to get to Intermediate, or their first day. Yet again, you completely miss the point I was trying to make - just get some general track experience. I know, such a shitty opinion to have, by trying to look out for someone's best interest from my experience, I know.

Now you're getting mad because you think I'm trying to determine how to run everything - this is the exact mentality problem I'm talking about. Obviously this isn't the first time this topic has come up. Yet, every time, it goes the same way. You ask for suggestions, someone makes suggestions, you say you're already doing stuff, nothing really changes.

Yeah you made some minor class changes - got it. I'm saying it's not enough. I don't feel I really need to "cite" a source for my argument, because the grid issue is known by everyone, and the information of seeing various track day orgs have their own mini series is also known to everyone, so there's that.

Like I said in my other posts - cut/merge/consolidate the classes with minimal participation. Fill that space with the crowd that's paying the majority of the build.

 

Lucky for us you're not in charge... there would be no Endurance racing with this logic.