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front brake lines: individual vs daisy chained

Discussion in 'Tech' started by mattology, Jan 13, 2019.

  1. mattology

    mattology Well-Known Member

    i have seen some bikes where one line runs from the master cylinder to the left caliper with a double banjo, and a brake line runs from the double banjo over to the right caliper.

    i've also seen some bikes where a double banjo is at the master cylinder, and each caliper gets its own brake line from the master cylinder.

    what do you prefer and why?
     
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  2. fastfreddie

    fastfreddie Midnight Oil Garage

    Single line to a T at the lower triple.

    Double banjo anywhere is greater opportunity for leaks.
    T-split or double banjo caliper unclutters the "cockpit".
    T-split at lower triple doesn't confine movement/hanging of calipers during tire/wheel/brake maintenance.
     
    Last edited: Jan 13, 2019
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  3. track wagon

    track wagon MCAS MIRAMAR

    +1 I like the T split.
     
  4. Jon Wilkens

    Jon Wilkens Well-Known Member

    I've run both...can't tell a difference. It's all hydraulics...press the lever in a sealed system...fluid moves the same from start to finish. I like the uncluttered look of single line down to caliper, then up over fender (fitting tight on fender). Clean.
     
  5. CafeRacer

    CafeRacer Well-Known Member

    Too funny. I was about to post this exact question!

    I'm resurrecting a 1997 Ducati Monster and it has a T connector. Never had a bike with that before as I've always run two lines from the master.

    What is the theoretical advantages or disadvantages of two lines from the master vs. a t connector vs a hose over the fender? It is packaging or is there a reason?
     
  6. Bruce

    Bruce Tuck & Roll

    My theory is the line over the fender is for a lower manufacturing cost from the factory. I know there are a few aftermarket kits you can get that route the same way, but I believe this is to please the consumer who thinks it should remain the same setup as from the factory. I used to run two lines from the master cylinder, but the bigger banjo left me with clearance issues on how far I could run my master cylinder up the bar before the banjo would hit the fork tube. The single line into a tee is my preferred setup. I have more room to play around with my master cylinder position, and it makes wheel changes much easier.
     
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  7. kman0066

    kman0066 Well-Known Member

    With the dual-lines from the master cylinder, you're essentially running the T at that point, so hydraulically, the only difference between having the T lower or higher would be the total amount of fluid in the system right? I'd think it makes zero difference performance wise in any of the 3 configurations, unless the amount of fluid because of more/less line has an effect. That said, if you're wanting to run quick-disconnects at the calipers, the dual-line banjo at the caliper wouldn't work well, so a T higher or a dual line setup would work better for that I'd think.
     
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  8. Go with the t and avoid double banjos.
     
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  9. bored&stroked

    bored&stroked Disclaimer: Can't spell

    I've always run whatever came in the kit that was on sale.
     
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  10. mike-guy

    mike-guy Well-Known Member

    Does the one that T's on the fender have any swivels or is it a solid connection?
     
  11. kman0066

    kman0066 Well-Known Member

    The ones I've used are press fit/swadged on. So you can move them with a pair of no-mar pliers, same as you would do for a banjo fitting, but they don't just freely swivel.
     
  12. mattology

    mattology Well-Known Member

    thank you everyone for the replies.
     
  13. stangmx13

    stangmx13 Well-Known Member

    Spiegler lines come w/ a soft clamp and plastic rod that allows u to rotate all the fittings. they don't move easily when new. ive got a front line thats a few years old and turns easily, so im going to replace it. cheap insurance.
     
  14. mike-guy

    mike-guy Well-Known Member

    This isn't about you anymore, the community is intrigued.
     
  15. mike-guy

    mike-guy Well-Known Member

    That was my concern. Although I'm sure yours has plenty of service behind it you are adding a piece of maintenance to the bike. I bought a bike that has a T'ed setup with quick disconnects on the T block and I ditched it for the simple 2 line. Guess I don't have any real scientific reasoning.
     
  16. Monsterdood

    Monsterdood Well-Known Member

    Fun fact, Motoamerica requires any T’s or junctions to be above the lower triple clamp. I have a goodridge T setup and the T is just below the clamp FWIW.
     
  17. mattology

    mattology Well-Known Member

    i was simply trying to express gratitude for the great conversation, sorry
     
  18. mike-guy

    mike-guy Well-Known Member

    Jeez I was kidding, now I feel like a bully. Glad you got your answers.
     
  19. KneeDragger_c69

    KneeDragger_c69 Well-Known Member

    Say no to #bullying...

    :p
     
  20. tgold

    tgold Well-Known Member

    Don't try to bully me into not being a bully!
     
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