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Crutchlow may leave Moto GP

Discussion in 'General' started by Boman Forklift, Aug 23, 2012.

  1. Suburbanrancher

    Suburbanrancher Chillzilla

    Dave, I gotta disagree on this one. I fully get the economics involved, but in all honesty if the riders participating in the world's top series can't get paid 'right' for what they do, then dissolve the series. There's plenty of cash for hospitality and R&D, but limited cash to pay the riders who put on the show?

    These are professional athletes at the top of their game - they should be compensated just like every other top-level athlete for the work and sacrifice they put it. The idea of a 'Moto GP welfare system' works both ways - why should a series of Moto GPs purported magnitude expect riders to work at a cut rate?

    Moto 3, 2 and GP should have minimum standards for rider's salaries, imo. Just like every other sport making money off the athlete's work.
     
  2. Dave K

    Dave K DaveK über alles!

    Who pays for the hospitality suites and all that shit? The teams and the sponsors.

    Ellison and most of the CRT riders are not important to the show. You could essentially replace them with trained monkeys and no one would care. Why should Dorna pay them anything? They could buy the monkeys and other than a few bananas and the intial buy in, they are free.

    Sorry, 95% of the guys are replaceable. Let the riders negotiate with the teams to see if they should be paid or pay for their rides.
     
  3. tittys04

    tittys04 Well-Known Member

    Most professional athletes, imo, are grossly overpaid. that is all i have to add
     
  4. Suburbanrancher

    Suburbanrancher Chillzilla

    Actually, I wonder if the CRT riders aren't in fact critical to the show nowadays. Who's going to pay to watch a grid of only eight or ten bikes duke it out without them, and what kind of credibility would a grid of that size bring to the series overall?
     
  5. Dave K

    Dave K DaveK über alles!

    Most of the CRT riders are like spark plugs. Pull one out, plug a new one in and the engine keeps running.
     
  6. Suburbanrancher

    Suburbanrancher Chillzilla

    I agree when it comes to the topmost guys, particularily in the stick-and-ball stuff. But I'm talking about the bottom of the food chain here in a sport where the personal sacrifices are often much greater.
     
  7. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    There is no set worth of any athlete, it's all about what they can get in their contract. The sponsors are the final determination, if Crutchlow isn't worth a mill to his sponsors or any other sponsors then he's not worth a mill.
     
  8. RM Racing

    RM Racing Tool user

    They take the job and accept their compensation in hopes that they will move up and be able to fight for the limo-riding spots. No one is forcing them to take the job. As long as hungry young riders accept rides for low pay, the system will stay as is. You can feel pity for their plight, but they asked for it.

    In my opinion, there should be big prize money on the line, not some arbitrary salary system, that's so socialist (No political overtone here). Everybody who finished gets paid, like the old days. Motivation to perform for the up-and-comers, hooker money for the front runners. Rich factory guys often gave the prize money to their mechanics. I like that.
     
  9. tophyr

    tophyr Grid Filler

    nothing meant by this, but that made me laugh :beer:
     
  10. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Sounds good to me. Show money if you qualify would help things too.
     
  11. cgordon3

    cgordon3 I need a new bike...

    So.... The machine is more important than the rider.... how very Honda of you..:D
     
  12. cgordon3

    cgordon3 I need a new bike...


    I retract my statement on agreement with a set minimum in MotoGP.

    To many different avenues for salary are present for this to be managed properly.

    In comparison to MLB, or NFL, or NBA, the structures are different enough that there is no way to fairly compare the two.
     
  13. Dave K

    Dave K DaveK über alles!

    In the case of most of the CRT teams? Absolutely.
     
  14. stangmx13

    stangmx13 Well-Known Member

    actually, nope.

    Dorna's profits annually are less than Rossi makes, with most reports showing that the entire company profits less than 10mil Euro. Yes, the company takes in a ton of $$ from tracks, TV contracts, and advertising. However, most of that goes right back out the door as they pay for tires, bikes, transportation, equipment, etc etc. Stanboli from Attack told us that tires are free and there's no entry fee (in contrast, WSBK charges 10k euro for a wildcard run). Nakamoto-san from HRC told us that Dorna pays for the bikes and/or transportation. Carmelo himself told us that he subsidizes the satellite and now CRT teams heavily. I'd bet that the winnings for each race and championship come partially out of everything that they bring in as well.

    The only ones getting seriously rich from this sport are Jorge, Rossi, and possibly Dani and Stoner.... aliens both in talent/skill and paycheck. Cal expecting the same given his results and marketability is kinda silly.

    quick source:
    http://motomatters.com/news/2011/05/20/the_money_situation_dorna_owners_hoping_.html
     
  15. The Coventry man was "gazumped" for the factory Ducati ride by current team-mate Andrea Dovizioso...lot's of win here.
    Is being Gazumped the same as being Gasummed ?:D I gotta remember that word, but to use it in what context/meaning ? Overtaken, looked over, taken down from the top rope ?

    "and probably suffering from tourettes"....anothe Dave K special. I LOL'd long time!

    I didn't expect the "wah, wah, wah" from the Crutch. A pity. Thought the Cockney bastid was made of sterner stuff, eh what? So, he goes back to a loaded WSBK field with a Spies on a mission, too. Might want to re-think that one, laddy.
     
  16. iomTT

    iomTT Well-Known Member

    I say dam good on him for standing up and opening his mouth and saying FUK THIS

    He is a very fine fast rider who has done a bloody good job all year

    Dorna has obviously reccognised this also as he now is riding for the same team next year

    Some of the people posting in this thread to need move on and realise that there is more to the world than just the USA and all cultures are different, hell you all dont even speak proper eeengrish:Off:
     
  17. ToddClark

    ToddClark f'n know it all

    From Yamaha press release


    The Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Team is delighted to confirm that it will field an all-British rider line-up with Cal Crutchlow and Bradley Smith in the 2013 MotoGP World Championship.

    Crutchlow has signed a new one-year agreement after a fantastic second season in MotoGP. The 26-year-old is currently fifth in the World Championship standings and he has scored eight top six finishes and started from the front row of the grid in three races.
    I
    Smith will move up from the Tech 3 Racing Moto2 project. A consistent top six challenger in the ultra-competitive Moto2 class, the 21-year-old has signed a two-year contract for 2013 and 2014.[
     
  18. malik ross

    malik ross Waits for his asskicking.

    good. hopefully he'll shut his cockhole now and get back to racing.
     
  19. Qualifying was a good start!
     
  20. Dave K

    Dave K DaveK über alles!

    Oh boy, Bradley Smith, he's going to be the next Sheene!
     

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