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Bit Torrent Question

Discussion in 'General' started by Sprinky, Aug 18, 2008.

  1. Sprinky

    Sprinky Well-Known Member

    Maybe someone can help here? I'm using, or trying to use, uTorrent and when I start to download my download starts and then stops quickly. I'm not sure if it's my program, my ISP, or what. It worked for the first couple of races that I downloaded off racing-underground, but now it seems to not work. When I look, there's plenty of seeders, etc (whatever a seeder is, but from what I gather it relates to how many files you have access to).

    Yes, I suck at some of these more covert computer type operations :tut: so please excuse my ignorance, I just need a BSB / WSBK fix.

    TIA

    :beer:
     
  2. derby369

    derby369 Well-Known Member

    seeders = number of people participating in the swarm with the complete file.

    leachers = number of participants with less than 100% of the parts.
     
  3. Sprinky

    Sprinky Well-Known Member

    Gotcha.

    Regarding the downloads starting then stopping, do ISP's control the amount of downloads, etc? IIRC, I thought I read something about this somewhere. FWIW I have Comcast cable access.
     
  4. JamesG

    JamesG Architeuthis dux

    For broadband, cable, and DSL there usually isn't bandwidth limits, unless you are billed for your bandwidth...

    Its a good idea to just set your torrent client running with your target swarm and a couple other files open in the background or overnight. Eventually you will get all the peices and its good to seed for other users.
     
    Last edited: Aug 19, 2008
  5. gix

    gix jigga who?

    i disagree.. more and more isp are doing bandwidth throttling on many known torrent ports and ftp port...same reason why most upload speeds are capped. they dont want you running servers and using tons of bandwidth. so by making your upload speed crap, it kills the download speed of the person leeching off your server.

    there have been many lawsuits by end users over this..and they have won. when you sign up for most services you pay a flat rate for unlimited internet (per the contract or service agreement). if the isp blocks the ports that breaches their own agreement. but by throttling bandwidth on those ports, they have done nothing wrong.
     
  6. Sprinky

    Sprinky Well-Known Member

    OK, maybe it was just my impatience. I've been letting it run and just playing around more with it. It looks like people drop in and out all the time, which I guess affects how fast things go. I must have been spoiled on my first couple of downloads, 15 minutes tops for those.

    I've been seeding things that I've downloaded. I really didn't know what it was, but everything I read made it seemed like the good guy thing to do.

    Thanks!
     
  7. gix

    gix jigga who?

    what isp? i leech about 100gigs a month from torrents and cox has sped me up.yet i pay the same 45$..for some reason they have bound my dynamic IP to my routers mac. that inturn makes it static. my downloads are 32000kbs. they also uncapped my upload from 500k to 3500kbs when i switch my MAC address and i get assigned a different IP my downloads go to 16000kbs. so they have my bound to an IP and are speeding up my service for some reason

    http://www.speedtest.net/result/300611537.png
     
    Last edited: Aug 19, 2008
  8. gix

    gix jigga who?

    i just noticed you are in hermosa....im from pv, lived in redondo for many years =) small world
     
  9. Sprinky

    Sprinky Well-Known Member

    Um, yeah. That flew right over my head. Here's what I have on speedtest:

    http://www.speedtest.net/result/310846124.png

    When I was looking at the download speeds on uTorrent is was around 800-900 Kb/s for the quick downloads. Now I'm sitting right around 100 kB/s.

    I'm the farthest thing from a professional, but I remember my old IT guy bitching about getting switched to a dynamic IP and it was really messing him up. Does having a static IP make things faster???? Just for my own edification.
     
  10. gix

    gix jigga who?

    haha i apologize for my rambling. no an staic/dynamic ip has nothing to do with your speed. its the equivalent of a cars license plate (network guru's. i apologize for that example). everyone has a different one. dynamic simply means that the number (ip address) changes or can change. static addresses dont change.
    i was just contrasting how some isp's are lowering bandwidth on certain ports such as the ports torrents usually connect on. that is there way of controlling it. if you have everyone downloading torrents at the same, all using the same isp in the same area....it starts to effect everyones speed.

    100kbs for a torrent isnt horrible. your speed will depend on a few things

    seeders: these are the guys that have what you want. the more seeders the better chance of you getting a faster connection. i say it that way because any torrent client has settings to control bandwidth. so if the seeders have that set at 10kb/s, thats the fastest you will ever get.

    leechers: the more people leeching, (usually) the slower the download.

    sometimes i can download a race thats 800mb in 14 minutes. with the same amount of seeders it sometimes takes 1 hour. could be the bandwidth, could be the leechers. there are variables.
     
  11. Knarf Legna

    Knarf Legna I am not Gary Hoover

    I think your analysis is a little faulty. First, Comcast (the only major ISP that I'm aware of that's been sued for interfering with P2P) last year employed Sandvine hardware to interrupt P2P sessions by injecting false RST packets, effectively terminating the file transfer. They were sued over that in November of 2007, and the case has not been decided yet. They were also sued in February of this year for the same reason, and that case has not come to trial, either. Comcast has since abandoned using the Sandvine gear and no longer interferes with P2P traffic. I'd be interested in other lawsuits that you say have been won concerning this issue, because I'm not aware of any.

    Second, it is well within the legal rights of an ISP to block traffic on their network that they feel is unlawful or otherwise in violation of their TOS. If anyone thinks they can sue an ISP because they're not providing unlimited bandwidth for them to steal digital intellectual property, well, good luck with that lawsuit. And since virtually no major ISP promises unlimited bandwidth, and hasn't for years, there is no basis for claiming that it's included in the service agreement. It's simply not.
     
  12. gix

    gix jigga who?

    i base my info on my isp. i have gotten letters threatening me about my bandwidth. not the type of traffic. i got 3 letters like that and the 4th being the new updated TOS that all of cox (oc) has sent out. they did that due to the amount of heat (per them, not me) that they are getting regarding bandwidth usage related or unrelated to p2p.

    and you are telling me that if i sign up with an isp for unlimited access, they have the right to block port 80? if they block port 80 you dont think they violate their terms? im not saying they do that, but you say they can block whatever they want. and lets see, porn sites seem to be using port 80 as far as i can tell which cant be good for their network.

    you cant just advertise a speed then throttle it once the end user signs up. i dont know the legality...but thats the heat cox has been under.

    btw: comcast not too long ago did the same thing and there was a class action suit against them. they quietly withdrew from the letters and bandwidth threats and it all got swept under the rug. they then changed their service and TOS
     
    Last edited: Aug 19, 2008
  13. Knarf Legna

    Knarf Legna I am not Gary Hoover

    Bandwidth caps will probably be implemented by most major ISP's to deal with the problem. If you want to eat tons of bandwidth be prepared to pay more than the guy who just surfs and uses e-mail. Because of the FCC's stance on network neutrality vis-a-vis traffic shaping it's really their only option right now. P2P sharing has put a hefty dent in network capacity, and it's unrealistic to think that it will continue without restriction.

    I don't believe Cox (or any other major ISP) is selling unlimited bandwidth any longer, and although some don't specify limits in their advertising it's safe to assume it's not unlimited. There are a few components of every ISP's TOS that prohibit running servers or server-like services on non-commercial accounts. The wording has been carefully crafted to throw a net around P2P sharing, and if they want to hold you to the terms there's not much you can do about it.

    Outright blocking of ports is really unrelated to the issue, at least in Comcast's case - they never blocked ports, they just interrupted P2P transfers.
     
  14. gix

    gix jigga who?

    there is nothing in my TOS that states i cant transfer data from myself to a friend. if that was the case, email attachments and itunes would be a violation. i can use one of any of the 65k + ports available to me. they cant stop torrents. they can sniff the packets all they want, but when you have a 20 part file that doesnt add up to anything, they have no other choise but to block that certain port (of which will just cause the client to pick another) or you terminate the account. this isnt like napster where they can shut something down and p2p will be over.
     
  15. gix

    gix jigga who?

    and my cox account does specify that i have unlimited bandwidth for home use. the only thing restricted is my upload. after i got the new TOS my speeds doubled. and my upload cap was rasied 7 times.
     
  16. Steeltoe

    Steeltoe What's my move?

    superfundo
     
  17. Knarf Legna

    Knarf Legna I am not Gary Hoover

    If the "data" that you're sharing with your "friend" is intellectual property then you can claim that it's OK all you want, but in fact it's illegal, and if they want to nail you you're history. E-mail attachments or P2P, it's still illegal. I don't understand why people think that just because something is in digital form it's OK to steal it. Never quite understood that thinking. You're probably not the type of person who would even consider shoplifting, yet you feel that it's OK to steal songs and DVD's just because nobody's watching you do it. Why don't you just go into Best Buy and put a few CD's in your shirt and tell the security guard that you're just "sharing" with your "friend" when you get stopped? ;)

    There are many ways to stop torrents, but I think that discussion might be better saved for a technical forum. It's not very difficult at all, just a matter of having the right political climate to succeed. With the FCC keeping an eye on ISP behavior in regard to net neutrality it's a touchy subject. Time Warner is now in trial with specific tiered bandwidth limited service, we'll see if they roll it out beyond the test market. IMO it's inevitable, the capacity of the Interwebs is not infinite, and with a new torrent boy waking up every day and clogging up the pipes with his Coldplay songs things will one day change.
     

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