A thread on what socialism means:

https://twitter.com/vrosu/status/1102340385492238336

 

Socialism - distribution based on effort.
Communism - distribution based on need.

If you believe in Socialism, join the US Armed Forces, a truly socialist enterprise, promotion/rate of pay based on effort, rank and time.

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Socialism == commercial activity and property managed by a central group who determines who wins and who loses
Capitalism == freedom to earn what you are willing to work for by creating something others want or need at a level you determine.

 

This is as funny as 'Self-made Millionaire" definition...

 

What about Crony Capitalism?? hehehe

 

No.

 

Enlighten/correct me, if you would.

"To each according to his contribution" is the driving principle of socialism.
This is why, I don't object to Socialism definition.
It is actually a very cold program/idea.
The term has been hijacked to embody some kind of Utopia.

Under the Socialism, an individual's compensation is directly a function of value of labor/effort.

And, with that understanding, the realization that the US has the most effective means of Communism - distribution based on need as evidence in our welfare system. A system that is only feasible due to the wonders of Capitalism.

Common, you have to have something better than, "no?"

 

At root of all, is property ownership.

 

Socialism is a collective controlling of assets at its core is likely why he said no. The main difference between Communism and Socialism is the magnitude of control of assets by the state and the entry condition. Usually Socialism is entered into gradually with freedoms eroding at a slow peaceful pace like a frog in a pan of boiling water. Communism is usually a violent lurch into the collective with very few benefiting, the more equal animals. Both end in loss of freedom and decline in standard of living.

 

Oh and "To each according to his contribution" would mean those not working starve which is not the case in socialism until the end when everyone starves except the dictators.

 

Free living is not socialism is communism.

Only capitalism can afford any level of distribution, see USA.

Any reliance in socialism or communism is futile.

We need to be careful to include commodities into our "social programs."

Trust the accountability of the private secoltor. Or greed.

Government has no accountability but empowered to use any means available. See taxation.

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This isn't true. It's not based on effort, it's based on some sideways factor that's supposed to be relevant to effort. Most military promotions are a function of time and not screwing up. If you manage to stick around long enough and not screw up too bad, you get promoted. That's not "effort", it's survival.

 

1. Promotions in the armed forces have little to do with "effort". Don't fuck up and you're an E-4 in two years. NCO's are promoted based on need, not qualifications.

 

If 90% of your working day is spent working to pay into the collective are you free?

Freedom is not achievable in a civil society as some of your time must support the common good. If it is kept limited you as a person gain. Your time is partly given for protection of the society which helps. However socialism is the walk toward communism where the common good goes more and more to support others with little to no benefit to yourself. Then at some point the masters take over production and all fails.

 

Time in grade is effort.
Yes, you wait your turn.
The socialist way!

 

What collective, and what work?
Most collectives fail because no one is working!

In absolute terms, no one is free.
I struggle for the longest time to come to terms with the purchase of property.
A philosophical argument within.
But, I purchased.
I know what I gain and what I lost, subject to.
A choice.

One system offer choice more than another.
I take the one less limiting or at minimum provides a mean to self-govern.

 

You guys are killing me today.

Time/effort - in the end, it has little to do with qualifications.
In my opinion, a socialist program.
And, yes. Knowing the right people will help, from time to time. Corruption. Nothing new.

 

Bad to. Simplify. Eliminate.
Less control, less corruption.
More accountability.
Less co-dependency.

 

Time in grade is effort?

Just stop. I know you're not that stupid, please don't prove me wrong.