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California Power Outage

Discussion in 'The Dungeon' started by Montoya, Oct 9, 2019.

  1. Montoya

    Montoya Well-Known Member

    CA is strong in NIMBY, which created strong opposition and costly procedures for utilities performing tree trimming, at times they even needed property owner permission and what their clearance allowance was not ideal. That combined with the California climate, was a bad combination. The laws changed not long ago, but it will take years of work to catch up to the new standards and a significant and ongoing increase in labor.

    Er... just stick with Acree’s response.
     
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2019
  2. Venom51

    Venom51 John Deere Equipment Expert - Not really

    Build the wall...build the wall now before anymore escape.
     
  3. R Acree

    R Acree Banned

    I've been without power for about a week after a storm. Never as a preventative measure in support of a federally managed management program.
     
  4. Spang308

    Spang308 Well-Known Member

    Resist you monster.
    I'm laughing at you west coast asswipes with steaks spoiling over this preemptive strike against electron armageddon.
     
  5. TWF2

    TWF2 2 heads are better than 1

    Too late. Time to plan exit strategy :)
     
  6. Trent

    Trent I just wanna ride motorcycles and eat pizza

    The PUC in CA is a political office with members appointed by the Governor (Newsom, Brown before him, both Dems). Newsom received a ton of money from PG&E. Those appointed to the PUC did not do their jobs in regulating PG&E. Not to let PG&E off the hook, they are complicit as well, but as mentioned above, when there are laws that make it difficult to fire mitigate for environmental reasons, what the hell?
     
  7. R Acree

    R Acree Banned

    To be sure someone has done a study contrasting the potential damage of proper fire management vs the actual damage from failure. The snail darter desert tortoise is just as dead.
     
  8. Trent

    Trent I just wanna ride motorcycles and eat pizza

    For sure, lots of studies done in CA. But the results of studies aren't used to make any sort of rational decisions. You have to remember, people in CA do what feels good, like banging your best friend's wife (Newsom did that), not what makes sense. And the corruption is rampant. So when you see Newsom on the presidential ballot in the near future, beware, he's pretty damn slick
     
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  9. galloway840

    galloway840 Well-Known Member

    I hear a lot about people wanting to leave CA, or walling up those still there to keep them from leaving. Screw that. CA is a beautiful state. Better to send in a well-armed militia to liberate it by pushing out all the lefties that ruined the place to Nevada, or Utah. :)
     
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  10. brex

    brex Well-Known Member

    Way too many kalitards invaded Utah long ago, that shit needs to be reversed and they can be sent back to that kalifornistan shithole.
     
  11. Dave Wolfe

    Dave Wolfe I know nuttin!

    Iowa is where its at bitches
     
  12. pickled egg

    pickled egg Tell me more

    How about we just her pushing the leftists west?
     
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  13. In Your Corner

    In Your Corner Dungeonesque Crab AI Version

    And it can stay there.
     
  14. K51000

    K51000 Well-Known Member

    Both
     
  15. Spitz

    Spitz Well-Known Member


    Just push them further West and be done.
     
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  16. pickled egg

    pickled egg Tell me more

    Where have I heard that before? :moon:
     
  17. R Acree

    R Acree Banned

    That would be unkind to the good folks in NV or UT
     
  18. TXFZ1

    TXFZ1 Well-Known Member

  19. GRH

    GRH Well-Known Member

    Most grid tie systems don't use batteries because it's not as efficient in converting DC to AC, plus there's the added expense of the batteries and charge controller. The downside is they go offline when the grid is out. This is a UL1741 requirement called anti-islanding, it's to prevent energy from going back on the power lines to protect maintenance workers.
    I would imagine those affected by the forced outages are going to be totally rethinking a backup power strategy.
     
  20. sheepofblue

    sheepofblue Well-Known Member

    More maintenance and space for the batteries also. Grid tie is attractive if you are looking to cut usage but not otherwise. IMO if you wanted to go that route you should have grid tie with a whole house generator. That depends a lot on the area as CA might be using swamp coolers with little heating need. The deep south could do without heating better than cooling and swamp coolers are fairly ineffective. Of course DC will mandate a one solution for all setup one day.
     

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