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Vintage Rules for 2018 Bikes not points

Discussion in 'WERA Vintage' started by kenessex, Oct 6, 2017.

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  1. Harry V. III

    Harry V. III Well-Known Member

    2 of the largest motorcycle events in the country are vintage events. WERA run Mid Ohio and AHRMA Barber. Festivals with swap meets and numerous types of races. Both have limited modern classes. Thousands of people attending because of old motorcycles.
     
    Harry V. III, Nov 14, 2017
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  2. cajun636

    cajun636 Honda Junkie.


    Agreed. But like Mongo said those are one off events.
     
    cajun636, Nov 14, 2017
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  3. Harry V. III

    Harry V. III Well-Known Member

    My point is maybe there should be more of this type event.
     
    Harry V. III, Nov 14, 2017
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  4. cajun636

    cajun636 Honda Junkie.

    If you build it, they will come. I would propose Three big events for WERA like Mid O, Cycle Jam and the VIR event but they are all too close to each other sadly
     
    cajun636, Nov 14, 2017
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  5. kenessex

    kenessex unregistered user

    Probably just me and I may or may not race it, I just want the option. That being the case it wouldn't hurt or possibly change anything to let them in. But, if somebody else has one it might increase the grid.

    Remember, WERA started vintage with 2 classes, under 500cc and over 500cc. I think it then went to under 500, 650 and 750. We could just go back to those classes.
     
    kenessex, Nov 15, 2017
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  6. Bruce

    Bruce Tuck & Roll

    I'm ok with the double header. Especially for the liter bike guys who can't race up a class.
     
    Bruce, Nov 15, 2017
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  7. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    I understand your thinking and agree for the most part. But there is also a point where we could do all double headers and actually pay the bills. We could also run slightly longer races if we cut some of the small stuff and charge more for them more than offsetting the loss of entries from the lighter classes.

    However, WERA is still about having a place for most everyone to race and whenever we think about this kind of thing that is part of the consideration.
     
    Mongo, Nov 15, 2017
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  8. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    :crackup:

    I don't do that since they went from Heinz to their own brand :D
     
    Mongo, Nov 15, 2017
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  9. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Events being the most important part of that. Doing events that large every weekend however is not sustainable. Those large events are great but they do take away from the smaller race weekends for all of us because a large portion of the yearly budget goes to them. Understandable and just the way things are right now, we need to figure out a way to adapt to the new reality just like we do with modern stuff and trackdays.
     
    Mongo, Nov 15, 2017
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  10. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    There can only be so many. Too many events like that and you lose money. The Barber festival being when it is absolutely hurts the GNF for example - with Vintage rider turnout and spectator turnout. People only have so much money they're willing to spend per month or year. They won't attend 10 huge expensive events a year but they'll hit 2 or 3 no problem.
     
    Mongo, Nov 15, 2017
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  11. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    I do think we have too many classes most every weekend.... :D
     
    Mongo, Nov 15, 2017
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  12. Duck150

    Duck150 Well-Known Member

    So true, V1 and v2 for example have the same one person in both classes.... have a 250 class and under class and 500 and under as one class and so on... or something like that might work...
     
    Duck150, Nov 15, 2017
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  13. Can-am

    Can-am Well-Known Member

    I am a little older. When I started racing WERA (it was ERA in those days, pre-merger with WRA) there was one class for vintage bikes, "Thumper/Vintage" open to all bikes of model year 1967 and prior and all single cylinder machines. There was a 5 bike minimum to run the class, so we had to lobby our competitors in advance to make sure we had enough entries before going to the track. I started in that class with a Ducati Sebring 350. Vintage racing has grown since that time. The challenge is how to sustain it into the future so the classics are not forgotten.
     
    Can-am, Nov 15, 2017
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  14. james walker

    james walker beat down, broken & busted

    If I pull one plug on my V1 motor, can I run in the 250 and under class?
     
    james walker, Nov 15, 2017
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  15. V5 Racer

    V5 Racer Yo!

    Just get a R6 and grid up in V1, no one will ever know...

    :D
     
    V5 Racer, Nov 15, 2017
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  16. james walker

    james walker beat down, broken & busted

    HA, I thought about buying an R6

    to run in FSS tho.
     
    james walker, Nov 15, 2017
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  17. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    We couldn't get 250's to show up in 250GP, why would I bother with another class for no bikes?
     
    Mongo, Nov 15, 2017
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  18. V5 Racer

    V5 Racer Yo!

    Given how large those events are I have to wonder why so few of the vintage guys come race with WERA at the regular weekends?
     
    V5 Racer, Nov 15, 2017
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  19. terminus est

    terminus est Be prepared

    V7 is a SB class
     
    terminus est, Nov 15, 2017
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  20. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    My guess is he's now thinking about allowing the other stuff in with SS rules. Which would be fine for not killing off the Hondas currently in there but useless as no one would be competitive on the newer SS spec stuff. At which point they leave the bikes right where they are sitting in the basement.
     
    Mongo, Nov 15, 2017
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