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2018 Vintage Classes

Discussion in 'WERA Vintage' started by Mongo, Jan 10, 2018.

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  1. 90kacoupe

    90kacoupe Novice seeking Help

    I like the idea of this. Just add a year cutoff. (make it a floating year cutoff if needed) Also maybe do a little refining for single cylinder vs multi cylinder machines.
     
    90kacoupe, Jan 12, 2018
    #101
  2. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Honestly there is no specific number. I can justify some small turnouts no problem if I can combine them with other classes so that the race as a whole is okay - and even some of those are fine if small to use as a break between the bigger classes.
     
    Mongo, Jan 12, 2018
    #102
  3. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Sounds cool and could be fun but WAY too much work and confusion.
     
    Mongo, Jan 12, 2018
    #103
  4. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Plan is to work out a tentative schedule today, I'll post it once it's done.

    While I'm doing that and to save myself a bunch of reading the rules again - if I keep V2, can 350/500GP and V1 ride up to it and everyone stay legal? I know F-500 can go to V3 and F 2-stroke to V5 so those bikes are covered with at least a place to race.
     
    Mongo, Jan 12, 2018
    #104
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  5. uswjmc22

    uswjmc22 Obfusc8

    I like :)
     
    uswjmc22, Jan 12, 2018
    #105
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  6. uswjmc22

    uswjmc22 Obfusc8

    You read my mind Joe. Expand rules eligibility for vintage bikes to get into existing classes:D
     
    uswjmc22, Jan 12, 2018
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  7. Duck150

    Duck150 Well-Known Member

    So... gp 350 and 500 and V1 all race as one race against V2 bikes as one race ?
     
    Duck150, Jan 12, 2018
    #107
  8. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Possibly yes. And yes, I know you object.
     
    Mongo, Jan 12, 2018
    #108
  9. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    I need to go over the specifics but we already allow some of that.
     
    Mongo, Jan 12, 2018
    #109
  10. Duck150

    Duck150 Well-Known Member

    Whatever...I think you will lose racers, but your call....
     
    Duck150, Jan 12, 2018
    #110
  11. Duck150

    Duck150 Well-Known Member

    Or... make gp350 and 500 one race group and V1 and V2 one race group and race together....
     
    Duck150, Jan 12, 2018
    #111
  12. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator


    We might, I am fully aware of that. But at this point the options are simple - try to be inclusive and chance losing some riders because of combining classes or nuke all of the Vintage classes from V4 down and more than make up for those entries from the modern bikes.

    But as I have noted before - we're talking about 6 riders. And while I like those 6 riders and I like the bikes they ride and all of that - I cannot continue to hurt our events overall to try and do things for those 6 riders. And yes, I know those 6 riders (well, at least 5 of them :D ) do not expect that at all.

    What is best for WERA is to just nuke a bunch of classes and move on. But that's not necessarily what is best for the sport or for me personally. Luckily I'm allowed to try and balance between those things and try to figure this out without alienating too many riders.
     
    Mongo, Jan 12, 2018
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  13. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    That is an option I was looking at that you shot down in the beginning of this thread...
     
    Mongo, Jan 12, 2018
    #113
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  14. Yamaha Fan

    Yamaha Fan Well-Known Member

    Make the multiplier 1.5 and I am good (keeps H1's in the 500-750 race where they belong)
    Other than that Well done!!!!
     
    Yamaha Fan, Jan 12, 2018
    #114
  15. mgmark

    mgmark George Tirebiter for President

    Yes everyone will be legal. The drum brake guys may be unhappy but overall as far as safety lap times aren’t too awful far apart, except for maybe the fastest guys in V2.
     
    mgmark, Jan 12, 2018
    #115
  16. mgmark

    mgmark George Tirebiter for President

    This makes sense.
     
    mgmark, Jan 12, 2018
    #116
  17. mgmark

    mgmark George Tirebiter for President

    I would be for this. Other than the H1 the other 2-strokes are where they belong. Special dispensation might be needed for singles on a case by case basis.
     
    mgmark, Jan 12, 2018
    #117
  18. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    My only thing against making entirely new classes is trying to keep confusion out of it since we'll be keeping the full separation for VMD. Have to think on that more.
     
    Mongo, Jan 12, 2018
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  19. Duck150

    Duck150 Well-Known Member

    Guys would like it better, then racing against V1 and V2 bikes, so rather do it all 500gp class....
     
    Duck150, Jan 12, 2018
    #119
  20. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    1) Grom Cup & WERA Minis (4 laps)
    2) C Superbike Ex & NV
    3) Formula 1 Expert & Novice, V8 HW
    4) LWT SS, DSB, ESS,V5,
    5) B Superbike Expert & Novice, V7 HW, V8 MW
    6) LWT SB, DSS, FSS,V6 LW,
    7) A Superbike Expert & Novice
    8) Clubman, V6 MW, V4, V3, 500GP
    9) C Superstock Expert & Novice
    10) V6 HW, V7MW,
    11) A Superstock Expert & Novice
    12) Formula 2 Ex & Nv
    13) HW & MW Senior Superbike Ex & Nv
    14) B Superstock Expert & Novice
     
    Mongo, Jan 12, 2018
    #120
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