The unofficial official "SMMFH" thread

Oh I know. My bad.

 

Me too..... well is make everything white decorating?

 

It's over this one......actually stick a fork in both of them.

 

Leftists this is your future
https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/poverty-activist-john-clarke-wants-help-funding-retirement

 

E-panhandling to fill your retirement fund ehh...

Wait, retire on $25K, on what planet is that even possible?

 

Planet Panhandle. WTF is he retiring from?

 

Professional Victim?

 

I hear that if you do it right, you can make a very good living "panhandling". Sit on a curb, make over 20 bucks and hour, and ONE HUNDRED PERCENT tax free. When I worked in Raleigh, you'd always see the same folks at the same intersections day after day after day. Every single time I was at a light with a long line, they'd get a buck or two. Think one line of twenty cars every one minute.

I can only think of one time in my life when I gave money to someone with a sob story. It didn't take long for me to learn and grow up. I might have been 20 at the time. Now, I'll freely give food, but NEVER give money.

 

Many years ago, a guy used to sit at the bottom of the ramp off the inner beltline onto Glenwood Ave sitting in a chair, panhandling. On day a news person decided to follow him home. He lived in one of the nicer apartment complexes in town.,

 

Did you actually read what it allows or just go off the clickbait headline and get in your feels?

 

Of course , hence why I think it's shameful.

"Under the Reproductive Health Act, non-doctors are now allowed to conduct abortions and the procedure could be done until the mother's due date if the woman's health is endangered or if the fetus is not viable. The previous law only allowed abortions after 24 weeks of pregnancy if a woman's life was at risk."

.....and I'm sure they'll find all sorts of ways to make sure its not viable should the need arise.

When looking at the actual stats, VERY few abortions are done because the child was a result of rape or incestuousness, or the mother's health is at risk. The overwhelming majority of them are conducted because the child is an inconvenience to the mother. In other words they are using abortion as a form of after the fact birth control

https://abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/

 

Based on your statistics, which really don't seem germane to the conversation, that should mean that very few abortions will be conducted that this law applies to, so it should be of little consequence.

Differing viewpoints on abortion aside, if you genuinely believe that doctors will sacrifice their licenses and ethics to lie and claim a fetus is non viable just because someone decided they wanted a late abortion then I don't think we'll be able to have much of a productive discussion.

 

Indeed......so why enact it in the first place then? One of those chicken or the egg scenarios or is there more to it than that.....I'm inclined to think its the latter.

I'll now ask the same thing you did of me, did you actually read what it allows?

"Under the Reproductive Health Act, non-doctors are now allowed to conduct abortions...."

No license to sacrifice here....and ethics? well, those kind of flew out the window long ago.


I don't begrudge you your position on abortion, actually I don't even know what it is as you haven't said anything definitive on it, I'm simply stating things as I'm seeing them.

 

Because the small number of situations it will apply in are incredibly traumatic and unnecessary.

The definition called out in the measure is:
6. "Fetal viability" means the point in pregnancy when, as determined
43 by a physician or other qualified practitioner acting in good faith
44 within the scope of his or her practice in accordance with generally
45 accepted medical standards applied to the particular facts of the case
46 before that practitioner: (a) the gestational age of the fetus is twen-
47 ty-four weeks or more, and (b) there is a reasonable likelihood of the
48 fetus's sustained survival outside the uterus without the application of
49 extraordinary medical measures.

For the sake of brevity I lumped in "physician or qualified practitioner" under the phrase "doctor" but maybe that's too generous. Either way, this implies to me some sort of training and likely standard that must be upheld to maintain that position of being a "qualified practitioner" I guess maybe you'd call me naive in assuming the people tasked with these decisions won't take it lightly and perform an abortion on a viable fetus for the convenience of the mother.

 

You need to see a movie.

 

Btw, the viability of the fetus never comes into play in this law.
The "health of the mother" is the key phrase that allows unlimited abortion
up until whatever time limit is set by law, which in this case is up until the moment of birth.
This means zero limits of any kind on abortion in NY.