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SSex Mods

Discussion in 'General' started by dale-505, Apr 21, 2009.

  1. dale-505

    dale-505 Ride Safe!

    Now that I got your attention...

    What do the fastest Experts modify on their SS bikes?

    Skill goes a long way, but what else are they doing?

    Just curious...
     
  2. metalkid88

    metalkid88 Well-Known Member

    building motors/custom tunes/full suspension blah blah blah
     
  3. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Suspension first. Then track time. Then motor.
     
  4. dale-505

    dale-505 Ride Safe!

    Suspension, then track time, then maps - I understand.

    But to build a motor to SS spec would seem like a waste? No?
     
  5. slow honda

    slow honda Well-Known Member

    All you need is more gas, less brakes.
     
  6. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    At a certain point it becomes viable but it's really not necessary for probably 98% of our riders.
     
  7. metalkid88

    metalkid88 Well-Known Member



    exactly until your running top 3 then it might play into the equation. i would concentrate on a good tune which will help out a lot and then put the money into the suspension.
     
  8. BiZ

    BiZ a matter of weight ratios

    On a 600, a good supersport build will get about 20 horsepower at the rear wheel over a stock OEM motor. Of course a pipe, power commander + mapping, and race fuel alone might get you half that. But that still leaves you with 10 more ponies to find. As a novice who can't even use what a stock bike provides, those 10 extra ponies won't help you much. Hell, I know plenty of mid pack 600 expert riders who get on SV's and turn the same exact lap time as they did on their 600. And I know plenty of SV guys who jump on 600's and turn the same times as they did on their SV. For the vast majority of us, horsepower isn't what determines our lap times. It's some combo of an inadequate supply of skill and courage preventing us from achieving motogp glory.

    But if you want to win a 600SS race as an expert, even at the WERA level, you should probably be packin' some heat in that motor. A guy with a built motor won't have to ride "on the edge" nearly as much as a guy with a stock motor, to turn the same lap time.

    But yeah, what everyone else said is right. Spend money on track time, tires, and suspension first. Then when you're only getting passed on the straights, start investing in motor.
     
  9. tz_eric

    tz_eric Well-Known Member

    I have been under the impression that a rebuilt engine (whether to stock or SS specs) will be more reliable than an engine fresh off the showroom floor. Of course that assuming you have a good engine builder that pays more attention to detail than the factory. Am I wrong?
     
  10. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Depends on who you talk to I think. Having a good engine builder go through your motor isn't a bad thing by any stretch but if you're talking budget then it should be way down on the list.
     
  11. tz_eric

    tz_eric Well-Known Member

    Thanks, you've pretty much answered my question exactly.

    I've been playing with budget numbers for a return to racing next year, and unless I see a radical shift in income, there will be a lot of prioritizing.

    One thing that would be much higher on the list this time around is the tire budget. I don't know how many tires the fast experts use now days, but I'm sure it's more than the one set a weekend I used to try to get away with as a fast novice.
     
  12. Chip

    Chip Registered

    Not if you want to win.

    This is true to an extent. The clearances will all be correct so it will last longer, but will make more compression so the fuse will be shorter. In the end int should balance out for a club motor.
     
  13. lightningforce9

    lightningforce9 RIP GaWarrior

    I like just changing the oil and supplying it with pump gas and not worrying. :beer:
     
  14. gpstar748

    gpstar748 Well-Known Member


    good but backwards.........

    suspension, tracktime, then tune, then if you really have to....motor work


    like Mongo said, 98% of riders in WERA dont Need it...............it wouldnt hurt but its not going to instantly make you finish top 3 in an Expert race either
     
  15. gpstar748

    gpstar748 Well-Known Member

    thats really all anyone needs :D
     
  16. Hyperdyne

    Hyperdyne Indy United SBK

    The ability to turn off your brain and hit WOT before anyone else is worth it's weight in gold.. Too bad they don't bottle it and sell it. Oh yeah, and that whole not crashing thing as a suuplement.
     
  17. Fuzzy317

    Fuzzy317 a Crash Truck near you

    I have heard they have some trick after-market muffler bearings. :up:
     
  18. RacerRuss

    RacerRuss Well-Known Member

    Shhhhh!!!!

    Do you mean the top secret ceramic muffler bearings, or only the ones that have been coated????
     
  19. cyclox

    cyclox moving chicane specialist

    don't forget the WERA stickers...
     
  20. Fuzzy317

    Fuzzy317 a Crash Truck near you

    the ceramic ones. The coated ones don't handle the amount of torque some mechanics apply ;)
     

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