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Rule Changes

Discussion in 'General' started by AIP2, Jan 5, 2000.

  1. AIP2

    AIP2 Guest

    I was looking at the Rule Book and didnt see that anything had changed. Are there any specific rule changes from 1999?
     
  2. WERA

    WERA Administrator

    There are some but nothing too major. We will be requiring bellypans on all machines - yes I do mean ALL. The SV will be limited to Superstock rules (with slicks) in D Superbike, it can be built to the limits for LW Twins. The FZR is still limited to 430cc in D Super (a slight increase) but the 560 hybrids can now run in Formula 2. Other than that I can't think of anything, if it is a change from the 99 book it will be italicized in the 00 book.

    Sean
     
  3. alienator

    alienator Well-Known Member

    Different rules question: is there a chance that WERA might adopt a superstock seat rule similar to the AMA's SS seat rule? I can understand mandating a stock seat pan for production, but dumping the stock seat pan for superstock doesn't seem out of line.
     
  4. WERA

    WERA Administrator

    Best I can give you is a no for 00 but a maybe for the future. So far we haven't gotten any good reason to change it other than - the AMA allows it. That one doesn't work too well as you might imagine [​IMG] Especially since we had our rules first...

    Anyway, anyone have any good reason why we should? Expense won't work, I have yet to see a broken seat in a crash and it's not like the seat is a part that gets worn out.

    Okay - flame away!
     
  5. J Broga

    J Broga Guest

    Not that this is much of an argument, but I am running into seat issues caused by SS rules. I run an SV with Sharkskins and am keeping it castrated for D Super, so the guys on outdated equiptment wont have to upgrade. As a result of thier concerns about the potential of my motor, I have to sit up on top of the silly stock seat. I am taking all the stuffing out and all that, its just a silly rule. I am not going to win or lose based on my seat, but I can move easier and have a nicer bike if allowed to go with seat pad. I would like to see SV limited to SS rules for motor only. Let me have same suspension options as others in D Super, as rule was designed to keep motors in line relative to each other, allow suspensions to be in line relative to each other . . .Maybe next year? Anyway, I know the seat issue is minor at best, but it was bugging me.
     
  6. Tracee Polcin

    Tracee Polcin Pic by IYF Photo

    Dude, outdated equipment? The 400 is a kick ass lightweightbike. And as far as upgrading. I'am already over $1000 as of right now rebuilding my outdated motor.
     
  7. alienator

    alienator Well-Known Member

    Well, Mr. "Administrator" I'll have you know that my grandma fell on a wet floor in a Frische's Big Boy restaurant and broke her seat real good: and that was just a gentle low side.

    Iffin it don't cost any different, then why not allow 'em? What's the logic behind the rule? While yer at it, can you tell me the logic behind a 1.25 inch pipe fitting having a 1.375 i.d.?
     
  8. J Broga

    J Broga Guest

    Tracee - Is the FZR outdated?

    The FZR is headed towards Vintage, and nothing is going to stop that. This new rule only slowed that down, to try and keep outdated (by that I mean older, no longer produced) equiptment competetive for another year.

    And they only reason I sound so snide about this is because as an EX500 racer I learned to dispise the FZR and its mechanical advantage. Its nice to be on the other end of the stick now! [​IMG]
     
  9. Tracee Polcin

    Tracee Polcin Pic by IYF Photo

    the 400 might be 10-12 years old now, but surely not oudated. I guess the 1 regional champonship I won and damn close to another doesn't mean a thing. Because I guess I was riding on out dated equipment.
    So what are you whining about? if you want to have your little solo seat put it on. I don't think that will make you any faster. Your gripe was pointless, if you wanted a ruling from WERA on it, you should email Sean and let him decide. So, in future posts lets don't start slamming what one rides. [​IMG]
     
  10. WERA

    WERA Administrator

    Okay, let me see if I can answer these...

    Sorry bout Granny but I've never cornerworked at Frisches, eaten there and had other problems related to the seat area but that's a whole different issue.

    To be honest I do not have a good reason for keeping the rule the way it is other than we have to draw lines on the SS rules somewhere and that is just another one of those lines. I'm not opposed to changing it but when I put the new rules and ideas for new rules out there it helps to have good logical reasoning for changing them, otherwise I get a lot of "it's fine the way it is leave it alone" arguments back.

    FWIW the FZR is an outdated machine. Just because it's still a great bike doesn't change that... (had to, haven't pissed off the FZR guys in a least two weeks). The SV is also a great bike but being the new kid on the D Super block it has to come into line with what the majority want/need. One of the main reason for leaving the SV in SS form was to limit the expense of competitively running one. Besides, what suspension mods would you make that aren't legal? You can put on a new shock, re do the entire front end (within the confines of the stock tubes of course - they don't really need to be bigger do they?). Then again - if you have the cash and want to build the heck out of it, we do have classes for that as well.

    One last thing, one of the coolest parts of the new and improved BBS is that I can nuke posts - if it gets into a name calling thing, I will do so. The BBS is a great way for people to express opinions but I don't see any reason to get into the lower levels of "my bike is better than yours". However - opinions are just that, everyone has one and they all... well you get the idea.
     
  11. J Broga

    J Broga Guest

    Definately don't want to get in to the my bike/your bike BS. The post I sent was the 2nd one - I had to delete the first one because it was too damn wise ass and wouldn't have been constructive at all. The only beef I had with the SS rules in relation to forks was the internal/external. I had wanted to mount the GSXR front end to get some adjustability, like the FZR guys are free to do. In the end its not a big deal, and I'll be the first to admit the seat is basically a non issue. I only piped up on that because I had just torn my seat open to take out the stuffing. And Tracee - I'm not slamming what you ride. I'm just stating the facts, the bike is no longer produced, and by defination(ie the passing of time) has become outdated.
     
  12. stickboy

    stickboy Guest

    i just hope you people with your fast bikes
    fight each other and leave use slow hawk riders



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  13. jjohn

    jjohn Guest

    I'm a newbie to racing and am a little confused by the belly pan rule. I am planning to race a '88 FZR400 in D Superbike. This bike has stock-appearing body work (and has been run in WERA on and off since '88). What do I need to do/provide/purchase/fab or whatever to satisfy this rule? Also, what is this about the FZR becoming vintage? Will that limit the classes that I can run this bike in????
    Thanks for any help and suggestions!

    [​IMG]




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  14. Diesel

    Diesel Well-Known Member

    Lol... Geez guys! It seems that when someone mentions the word "Vintage", it is with the same solemn tone as used at a wake!

    Just relax, let go of all your inhibitions and come towards the light.
     
  15. WERA

    WERA Administrator

    You will need to buy a belly pan (Nationals FIberglass is supposedly making one as are a couple of other bodywork manufacturers) or modify oyur lowers to hold fluids.

    The FZR becoming Vintag doesn't limit anything, it actually adds a class you can run your bike in (V6).

    Sean
     
  16. WERA476

    WERA476 Well-Known Member

    Will RD's be required to have belly pans? If so wouldn't rule have to change in Formula RD about no fairings? Obvioulsy there is a difference between and upper and lower, but parts from Air-Tech would work well for example-Chris
     
  17. WERA

    WERA Administrator

    Yes this will include the RD's. We're working with Rick to figure out exactly what will be allowed. For the modern stuff, if the machine has a similar model with a full fairing we will allow it - like the Canadian SV or the TL1000-S model and the TL1000-R model.

    We do realize that this is a huge change in the rules and we will be working all year to get everyone into compliance.
     
  18. jjohn

    jjohn Guest

    Thanks for the input on the belly pan. Just one more thing to do.... [​IMG]

    Regarding my statement about vintage classes, I didn't mean it the way it may have sounded. In fact, after watching the AMHRA races at Mid-Ohio I decided to give racing a shot! I was just afraid that the bike (FZR400) that I had just invested time and money to run in one class would be forced into another with possibly different rules. Who knows, maybe I will run both classes!
     
  19. Tracee Polcin

    Tracee Polcin Pic by IYF Photo

    V6 is a viable option for the 400. My teammate has ran the V6 races for the past 2 years on his 400. Both years he has been in the hunt for the championship only to come to GNF's to lose out to the bigger bore bikes. He did win the SE V6 regional championship. (yeah, didn't know one even existed until he got a placque).
     
  20. WERA476

    WERA476 Well-Known Member

    Shawn thanks for the update on the RD, hopefully I will have that thing straight before long. One other question. God we are gonna wear out this belly pan thing before it's all said and done. I have the lower on my EX, but my D&D header required a little trimming at the bend in the pipes going back toward the rear of the bike right under the drain plug. Does the entire bottom portion of the bike need to be covered? If so us EX guys will also be breaking out the fiber glass kit, because the stock lower and even after market pieces do not totally enclose the bottom of the bike. Thanks-Chris
     

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