MotoAmerica changes for 2018

Why would they only allow the air cooled 797 Monster not the liquid cooled 821 Monster? All of the other bikes are allowed liquid cooling.

 

The Homologation says within 8 years. So technically it fits.

 

Well damn, I missed that line. Still not going to let it in though because potato. Not really in the spirit of the class. Although if it actually took off, give it a year before KTM makes a "RR" version of the 790 that obliterates everything.

 

Just depends if the fast riders will want to switch over to it. Most of them are hardcore SV riders, so dunno how much obliteration will be going on

 

Perhaps I am guilty of living in my own bubble out here on the west coast. But I have never seen an SV newer than a 2012, let alone a 2016 model on the grid. So my totally ignorant assumptions are based upon the fact that the majority of people are going to have to buy a new bike for this. See my resume posted previously in this thread for why I'm right

 

The potential that motor has in SBK rules is pretty ridiculous.
For that same reason, I don't think the new KTM 790 should be allowed either.

The air cooled duc 800 can pump out some serious HP, no need to allowed a much faster version of the monster in.

 

You don't reckon?

I've never even sat on one, so I have no idea what they are like.

 

What is the BMW 800 like?

I've never even heard of that bike till this thread. How long has it been around? Anyone race it with WERA? Is it any count?

 

If they are going to exclude the 821 Monster, why even make the CC limit up to 850? What other bikes are there between 800-850?

 

The way I read that rule is once a bike is homologated, it'll be legal for 8 years, IE you'll get to run your bike for more than a season if you build it. I don't see Ducati requesting a bike that ceased production after 2010 getting homologated though, they want to sell current bikes. Now, the Monster 821, absolutely should be on top of the list for homologation.

 

It'd probably be a fine bike for this class (though a bit heavy) - you aren't seeing it at the club level because it doesn't fit most club's rule structure (798cc twin puts it against Middleweight bikes).

Your next problem you'd run into is since no one is racing it - any work you do to race prep it is going to be breaking new ground. What bodywork would you run? It's a naked bike from the factory. Not necessarily a bad thing but there you go.

 

This sounds like formula extreme for twins. I wasn't involved back then, but I remember them being high dollar bikes.

I guess they need superbike rules to try and get a lot of different manufacturers interested? From what I read online about FZ07's the airbox choked them down to under 70hp in SS form.

Seems like a lower HP limit with dyno checking could have balanced bikes too. I remember some other national series did that before, but I have no idea how well it works?

 

Not sure what else is between 800 and 850 except the 848 and 821 Ducs.

The other bike missing from the list is the Aprilia Shiver 750, but I doubt anyone will bother running one. Once again, if you want to build it out for racing you are getting to break ground, as folks don't race them now.

On the BMW would we be talking the F800R or F800GT to get started? Not sure it matters as they are both heavy. On the GT you could sell off the stock bodywork to help offset the additional price of the bike.

 

If they enforce the minimum weight limits and HP numbers it should keep the racing pretty even as far as machines go.

 

A SS FZ07 with full exhaust and ECU flash is right around 78 hp.

 

This seems fun. I need to crunch some numbers and put in a ton of work in the "off" season but I'd like to do a wildcard MA weekend. Originally was going to put together an effort for Pike's Peak next year, but this seems cool too

 

For this type of class, it should be SS. ER6, FZ07, SV, and Duc800. Those bikes would all be really even in SS trim. Just don't understand why MA wouldn't go this route.

 

So people spend a shit ton of time and money racking their brain in the garage over the winter. Makes for way more cool bikes you have to admit

 

Or, keep any bike above 700cc SS trim and below 700cc gets SBK mods. Easy peasy.

 

Cooler bikes yes... but better racing, no.