Home Defense Shotgun

Happening in lots of places. The M4 is much cheaper, and way more options as far customization, configuration, barrel length, ammo type or even ammo caliber. You can configure the AR to shoot anything from 9mm up to the .50 cal cartridge. Or with a single lower.. and carry around just a SBR upper with 10" barrel & a SPR upper with a 20" barrel. You literally have the ability to switch between a close quarters combat gun and a sniper rifle.. in under a minute while carrying around just 15lbs of equipment.

Also helps when the US military has used the AR platform for the past 45 years, and all of Special Forces groups use the AR platform.

 

Seriously, I know nothing about guns. I don't own any, and never have. I live in a good neighborhood, but it is.... changing. I have been thinking of picking up this one home defense marketed shotgun at Gander Mountain for some time now, but it's so limited in purpose. I can't go shoot trap with it (which I have done and enjoyed) or shoot at a range with it like a pistol (same deal).

I have never heard of a .38 wheel gun as reccomended HD weapon. Please explain, I'm intruiged.

 

Thanks for the link, I just wasted a good 30-40min on it!:up:

 

I prefer a .357 frame because it will also shoot .38 rounds which are cheap and great for practice.

Revolvers don't F'up and are as simple as it gets to use, especially when it's a stressful situation.

Concealed is a different story.

 

I know it sounds a little silly, but my family is from a very poor country where guns are very easily obtained and unregulated, so it is assumed that anyone/everyone could be carrying. Still in most potentially dangerous situations I have been taught that awareness of the situation and quick response are the most important, which often means a bladed weapon is the most convenient and the least risk since it is always "cocked and loaded" and because for most 'unplanned' altercations the range between the two (or more) parties is short.

For me and my wife home defense starts from the time we see where we intend to park (not private parking), who is around, what is different, who seems like a potential threat, to the point of waiting to go to the door and open it until the area is clear. It is not a ghetto, but a typical urban environment and I believe awareness to be the most important defense.

Also my wife and I practice with sticks in lieu of bladed weapons, although also it is because it is fun for us. Not points style, but for example we practice hitting/defending the forearms or hands, in that once the hands are no longer functional there is much less threat. Here is a video clip of one of my heroes, he is the old guy, he remind me of my uncle (RIP) that was a guerilla in WWII in an occupied territory, when he moved here to the states even though he had a revolver he left it unloaded in the closet, it was his machete or his cane that were always with him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biXpNl9VJcQ&feature=related

 

.38 Smith = 99.99999% reliability...just pull and it goes bang. Nothing to forget. And the triggers are "purpose pulls" not land mines.
Vast majority of gun fights last only a round or two...5 in the Smith is usually sufficient. Your range for self defense is 10 ft. Hard to call it self defense when you whip out an AR and pop a guy at 30 yards.

 

Taurus Judge - even your wife will hit her target.
http://www.taurus-handguns.com/item/167268_Taurus_Hand_Guns_Pistols_TAU_
2441031TC_____M410_45.aspx

 

Without sounding like a paranoid freak, stalking around in my own house practicing room clearing (sorry Laz! ) I personally know two people that this sort of home invasion has happened to. In both cases, 3-4 guys actually busted in and tied the victims up. That being said, it is ironic that both of them are actors (one of them well known) and both times it happened in So Cal...not too long ago, either.

So...does that mean we walk around our houses with a piece strapped to our sides? Although I've actually done that on rare occasion for the hell of it, I wouldn't want to HAVE to do that.

 

AA12

go big or go home

 

http://www.benelliusa.com/shotguns/benelli_m4.php
Get a benelli

 

Texas or Florida?

 

Bingo. Revolvers simple do not fukk up and anybody can use one. They are caveman simple to load, fire, and handle. A shotgun can be a bit stressful and complicated to handle under stressful situations. A revolver can be used by 8 year old. Also a handgun enables you to hide in case you dont want to fight. You could easily hold yourself up in a bathroom, under the bed, in a closet and pray 911 gets there first or that you dont get found. If you do atleast you will have immediate firepower that is best for face to face fighting in very tight places.

 

I've always thought it would be cool to wire the house with pyrotechnics then have a trap door in the bedroom going into the crawl space with all of the exterious doors on solenoid operated deadbolts. When someone breaks in you just hit the huge red button which, of course would be one of those Staples "EASY" buttons just for the comedy factor, then all exterior doors lock and the house start burning really hot while you are outside on the phone calling 911. Sort of like in the Mel Gibson/Julia Roberts movie "Conspiracy Theory". And the best part would be the huge bullet proof glass window in the living room that allows you to watch the burgler burn to death.

 

Getting a pistol permit in NY is hard

 

those sticks looked like they were wrapped in leather. are they anything special as far as construction or type of wood?
the old guy is pretty smooth. you can see how he doesn't stop the momentum of the stick, just changes its direction...very kung fu.
does your family's country have its own style of blade fighting?

i've been clearing my property with a machete and it amazes me that swingin' like you're lookin' for a homerun with the bases loaded just doesn't cut it...pun intended. the best cuts are effortless.
it also beats the hell out of powered implements while adding a fun factor to yard work. i go for hours. the tool is light and the exercise isn't just luggin' a chainsaw, weedwhacker or hedgetrimmer around which was the alternative. i hated having to bust out all kinds of BS.

damn machetes are damn near perfect for damn near everything.
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the awareness you have for your environment is appreciated. most people live in a fog. it's nice to hear of others whose senses are being used. :up:

 

Since everyone thought the scenario was so far fetched. Here is a MSN story from today

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/35794401/ns/today-today_people/?GT1=43001

 

Pick the time and place, John Henry. I accept your challenge.



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Let's do it here. I am bidding on cleaning the bank on the left down to that 4 story building, there is no access for equipment so it all has to be cleaned up by hand. Mostly kudzu.

 

OP here. Holy Shit this got a bit off topic. I wound up getting an 870 Synthetic 12 gauge 18" barrel, extended mag 6+1. $350 on sale. It was the best deal I could locate. More than I wanted to spend since I hear everyone talking about the $200 range. I think prices and demand have gone up, and the 18" barrels are not as available as the long barrels. I found plenty of them for less. I added the stock.

 

So, your post got me searching, mostly because I remember reading the following stuff years ago:
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot1.htm (pistols, .223 ball ammo)
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm (shotguns)

The short answer: all the pistols and rifles penetrated all 12 sheets of 3/4" sheetrock he was shooting at, yet the shotgun only penetrated 6 sheets with #4 and #1 shot, and 7-8 sheets with 00 shot.

Since the pistol and rifle rounds were still moving after all the sheetrock in front of it, he went one step more difficult and shot at twelve 3/4" pine boards. The penetration results were:
22 lr (wildcat)- 4 boards
9mm - 8 boards
45acp - 7 boards
.223 ball - all 12, still moving.

So, now we need to look at your claim of defense ammo for AR's. I then found the following study, that compares 4 types of .223 ammo, for 2 different barrel lengths.

http://www.state.nj.us/lps/dcj/njpdresources/pdfs/wallboard_test.pdf

Pretty interesting differences I thought. It looked like they were all still penetrating at the last board, but the fragmenting and tumbling differences were pronounced.