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HDD question and home pc backup solutions.

Discussion in 'General' started by tito, Nov 9, 2012.

  1. tito

    tito Well-Known Member

    went to turn my computer on and recieved the not boot disk error. the bios does not see my primary hdd (I have 2 one for the os and one for files) so it looks like I need a new hdd and rebuild my computer.
    so questions
    1. any way to get this hdd up one more time to hopefully get stuff off of it? I don't think I lost anything I can't live with out, but it would be nice to be sure.

    2. what do you guys use for a home back up solution. I want to back up pictures and a few files. I was thinking of getting a external hdd and backing up with that but how to I do the backup. I want a program to run once a week and backup folders or files automatically.
     
  2. Dave K

    Dave K DaveK über alles!

    I use a cheap (in price) toshiba hard drive for my wife's PC. It was like $70 on sale from newegg and it's something like 2 terbytes (whatever the hell that is).
    For my work PC I also use Carbonite online back up and I'm going to pick up another external hard drive next time I'm looking for something at newegg. I'm a bit paranoid about that shit and $70 ~ $100 is cheap peace of mind.
     
  3. Venom51

    Venom51 John Deere Equipment Expert - Not really

    Forget the dead hard drive. If you aren't certain there is data on it you can't live without than it's not worth the tie spend on things that likely won't work. If the BIOS doesn't see it than it's electronics level problem.

    You need a multi path approach. A full block level image of the drive is great for getting back to a running machine quickly. That's easily done to either and extra internal disk or a USB connected external drive in all flavors of Windows XP/Vista/7 and 8.

    Secondly use something like Crashplan or Carbonite to do file level backups either to an external drive or even better to a location offsite.

    Multiple copies and multiple locations are the keys to getting data back when it all goes pear shaped.
     
  4. BigBird

    BigBird blah

    My backup process

    1)crashplan for my offsite backup (for the price, you can't beat it)
    2) flickr with a paid account for my photos
    Next step
    3)Synology DS212j NAS in RAID 0 with 2x 2TB drives. Will use for local backup and media server.
     
  5. Venom51

    Venom51 John Deere Equipment Expert - Not really

    Never Raid 0 for backups. Raid 1/5/10/50/60. Never Raid 0.
     
  6. peakpowersports

    peakpowersports Well-Known Member

    Go RAID 1+0 (10) if you have enough drives.
     
  7. tito

    tito Well-Known Member

    Remember this is foe a home pc.....not a business. Got a new drive in and windows loaded. The pics were on the drive that failed. Hopefully i can get it up and running long enough to get the pics off of it.
     
  8. Venom51

    Venom51 John Deere Equipment Expert - Not really

    Did you pickup something else to back that new drive up to or will you wait for it to fail again so you can come back and ask the same questions again.
     
  9. caferace

    caferace No.

    Oh No! They killed Kenny!

    Be nice. :D

    -jim
     
  10. Venom51

    Venom51 John Deere Equipment Expert - Not really

    I always try to be....at least once. :D
     
  11. XFBO

    XFBO Well-Known Member

    OK so I'm in the market for a NAS, any recommendations on make/model???

    I don't need anything gigantic, only plan on backing up two desktops, photo's and vids.

    But I do have what might be a silly question, on the units that have multiple bays, when they provide a size like 12TB.......is that a total of all HD's or ???
     
  12. rd49

    rd49 Well-Known Member

    Yes
     
  13. Venom51

    Venom51 John Deere Equipment Expert - Not really

    Depends on a number of factors. Yes if you shove 4x 3TB drive in one you have a raw total of 12GBs. Once you involve raid and a file system the total useable space will be less than the raw space. The space lost if lost to parity and file system overhead.
     
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  14. assjuice cyrus

    assjuice cyrus Well-Known Member

    Build it for iracing enough said!
     
  15. kz2zx

    kz2zx zx2gsxr2zx

    I built a home nas, was a good decision. mITX, rectangular Fractal Design case, Gold80+ PS, 6 WD 3GB Red drives. Runs Openmediavault, was easy enough to build and configure.
     
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  16. XFBO

    XFBO Well-Known Member

    Why would you build one? Cheaper or building one to spec allowed you to get the important options easier?
     
  17. GixxerBlade

    GixxerBlade Oh geez

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  18. kz2zx

    kz2zx zx2gsxr2zx

    First, I pick the quality/longevity of the components.

    Second, I can add/configure services: if I want it to transcode/upconvert media on the fly or host tvheadend for over-the-air television streaming (meaning, get NBC/ABC/FOX/CBS for football and let any Kodi client/Android device in the house watch it), it's a lot easier if I had built the system and installed a Debian fork/JeOS for NAS, than it would be rooting someone else's weird OS and figuring out how to add stuff.

    Third, I can expand beyond a price-point-conscious case.

    Fourth, it was a fun project for a few hours to build it, and it's been dead-stone-reliable for two+ years.
     
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  19. Venom51

    Venom51 John Deere Equipment Expert - Not really

    And because pretty much all the affordable mutli drive units sucks ass.
     
  20. YoshiHNS

    YoshiHNS Mr. Slowly

    ! RAID IS NOT A BACKUP !

    Just keep it in mind. RAID is great for protecting against a hard drive failure, but not a true backup. If a file gets corrupted, accidentally deleted, or the computer/server fails, its probably gone for good.

    My setup.
    HP Microserver running Ubuntu Server + extra packages with 4x 3TB drives in RAID-5
    4-bay USB external drive with old hard drives

    I keep all of my files on the Microserver. I keep relatively few files on my local HD. Only files I need on the computer for speed purposes (video/image editing). Every month, I copy the server to the external, running a program called FreeSync (iirc), which is fantastic for reducing backup times. I run the microservers cause they were dirt cheap when they first came out (~$250, now ~$700), and are the perfect thing for using as a serious home server or small business server. I have one for the machine shop as well. Fantastic little boxes.

    For the average home user, I see two options.
    For one person on one computer. One storage drive in the computer, and one in an external case. You can leave it connected and either use FreeSync, or the built-in Windows Backup utility. Pretty sure the Windows utility will also do a recovery backup of the OS if the drive fails. Both backup softwares are really easy to use and work well.

    For a household. Buy an external hard drive and a NAS (synology, QNAPS, mybook, buffalo, ect). Use the NAS as primary file storage. Have the NAS do regular backups to the external. I set up a QNAPS for my parents. It wasn't as easy as I thought it would be, and the performance is awful when you have encrypted drives/folders. But QNAPS might be a bit more 'professional' than some other options, and with it set up, it works like a champ, plus they can handle remote file access for you.

    Call me paranoid, but I don't trust online backups.

    Shoot a PM if you need help.
     

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