Educate me on Public Transportation!

How many times have you ridden the New York subway IYC? What evidence do you have that it's a terrible waste of money?

I understand that they have, at times had to subsidize it with tax money, but the economic impact of the subway goes far beyond just the fares that are paid.

 

subsidized public transportation is just another give away and jobs program to the peasant class. I dont have a problem with that, but it is exactly that.

 

Okay, I know Dave is going to beat me up here but here it goes.

Every once in a while my socialist ideals creep through.

Socialism is distribution based on effort. This is something that I have no objection to.

I would be fully supportive of public funding of "free" public transportation as a means to redistribute wealth along some means of effort.

Call it new welfare. Join public works if you cannot secure the ability to support yourself via private sector employment.

 

In NYC it's much more than that. It helps drive the economy (pun recognized). There are people making well into the six figures that use their subway system every day to get to work. It's not subsidized just so that there can be more subway jobs.

 

Why would I have to ride it to know about it?
It isn't subsidised "at times", it is continuously and heavily subsidised. That wasn't the case in its early days, when it was privately owned, but soon became that way after being seized by the city.
Why don't you tell me about the economic impact.

 

So people making much less than six figures need to subsidise transportation for those making six figures? That drives the economy?

 

The millions of people that take it to work every day drive the economy. It would not be feasible for them all to drive to work every day. If you've ever driven around Manhattan during the day, or payed for parking there, you will understand why. Riding the subway would help you understand how it's by far the best way to get around in NYC, but instead you will just talk down on something you don't know much about, like you frequently do.


As for your first question, who said that? Typical ridiculous twist of someone's words by you.

 

Why does this vibrant economy need subsidising, then? Why can't the users pay for the transportation they use? My car isn't subsidised.

 

Why do you hate the poor?

 

I swear that when I read this, my brain read the following words before my eyes actually got to the rest of your sentence:

"scheme by the feminists to emasculate the white male. The end of our society as we know it."

 

Your car would be real useful to you without the subsidized roads. Damn far northeastern commies using those commie roads.

You said the subsidization of the NY subway is a waste of money. It isn't, just like the subsidization of the commie roads you use isn't a waste of money.

 

Subsidized roads? Subsidized by what? Fuel tax? License fees?

 

So where does that money that provides subsidies come from again?

 

again, I dont really have a problem with this handout. I would rather see the ethanol handout or pet project airport handouts end.

 

Although if ticket cost does not cover operational expenses it seems pretty obvious to me that the socialist utopia of NYC needs to bump their ticket prices. If an extra buck a day pushes you over the poverty threshold you should probably reevaluate your lifestyle.

 

Don't forget tolls.

The most discriminate of taxes but one that no politician (I mean crackhead) touches.

Many roads have paid themselves over and over.

The likely new norm of private funding of public roads is going to be interesting to watch over the years.

 

That would also make life pretty easy for strategic bomber pilots

 

Roads are subsidized by fuel taxes, tolls, income tax, registration, etc., and income tax is more than just a small part of the equation. I just find it funny that IYC has no problem with the roads he uses being paid for by users and subsidized by tax money, but he claims that the NY subway, paid for in a similar manner, is a "waste of money."

http://www.uspirg.org/reports/usp/who-pays-roads

 

Subway riders pay fuels taxes, tolls and registration? Damn, I thought you just jumped the turnstyle and went.

 

Inversely, maybe car transport should stopped being subsidized...

Cheap gas (relatively to the rest of most of the world)
Toll free Roads
huge Parking lots
Shopping centers
Suburbia
etc.


This is one side of the discussion but it's just to point out that, like a bull, these subjects can be taken from different ends....

Pick your side carefully...