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MotoGP | 2020 | Round 5 | Austria | Red Bull Ring | Aug 21-23

Discussion in 'General' started by BigBird, Aug 17, 2020.

  1. tzrider

    tzrider CZrider

    It was a political move on the stewards' part.

    Not for favouritism of one clique over another but rather to give the impression of admonishing dangerous riding. Safer for them to do that then to risk giving the impression of sweeping risks under the carpet.

    As usual, I could be way off...
     
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  2. Dave Wolfe

    Dave Wolfe I know nuttin!

    As a single incident of Franco failing to brake enough before hitting Zarco, the penalty is not deserved. Maybe the stewards are looking at some other Zarco incidents as well when making the ruling?
     
  3. ljuice26

    ljuice26 Well-Known Member

    Ducati working on a 2yr deal with Pecco Bagnalia. They havent decided if its the factory team or Pramac.
     
  4. HPPT

    HPPT !!!

    That's not news! Errrrrrrybody gets two years.

    Real news: it's factory. :D
     
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  5. definitely not a cat

    definitely not a cat Well-Known Member

    Good for Zarco! I like Rossi a lot but he’s as far from unbiased as you can get in this situation. He’s justified with his views but everyone jumping on bandwagon, not so much.
    Shame Zarco got taken out of the race and now has a penalty to boot.
    If Zarco was taking a “weird line” and got rear ended by Franko does that mean Franko was taking that same “weird line?”
     
  6. HPPT

    HPPT !!!

    It means that their lines crossed.
     
  7. BigBird

    BigBird blah

    Xaus did mention that the long lap penalty from the previous race hurt Zarco's case, since it looks like he's riding dangerously. Which wasn't his fault that Pol can't keep it on two wheels in a race.
     
  8. definitely not a cat

    definitely not a cat Well-Known Member

    I suppose so. While watching the race and the countless replays I just can’t see how the crash is all Zarco’s fault imo.
    I don’t remember this much outrage when Zarco was on the ground after Marquez did this to him.
    Seems like the biggest issue by far is just the risk associated with that corner.
     
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  9. Dave Wolfe

    Dave Wolfe I know nuttin!

    If there is ONE thing we learned from ghostbusters: dont cross the streams
     
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  10. pickled egg

    pickled egg There is no “try”

    Fixed.
     
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  11. HPPT

    HPPT !!!

    I'm not saying Zarco was in the wrong. I was just answering your question about the magic of lines. :)
     
  12. rice r0cket

    rice r0cket Well-Known Member

    Riders agree with your assessment.

    https://the-race.com/motogp/riders-unanimous-in-criticism-of-motogp-stewarding/
     
  13. Jedb

    Jedb Professional Novice :-)

    MotoGP - Free Practice #1

    1 43 Jack MILLER AUS Pramac Racing Ducati 313.9 1'23.859
    2 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 313.0 1'23.863 0.004 / 0.004
    3 88 Miguel OLIVEIRA POR Red Bull KTM Tech 3 KTM 309.4 1'23.898 0.039 / 0.035
    4 30 Takaaki NAKAGAMI JPN LCR Honda IDEMITSU Honda 310.3 1'23.950 0.091 / 0.052
    5 36 Joan MIR SPA Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki 307.6 1'23.961 0.102 / 0.011
    6 21 Franco MORBIDELLI ITA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha 306.8 1'24.198 0.339 / 0.237
    7 33 Brad BINDER RSA Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM 307.6 1'24.251 0.392 / 0.053
    8 27 Iker LECUONA SPA Red Bull KTM Tech 3 KTM 304.2 1'24.301 0.442 / 0.050
    9 12 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 308.5 1'24.324 0.465 / 0.023
    10 20 Fabio QUARTARARO FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha 304.2 1'24.381 0.522 / 0.057
    11 44 Pol ESPARGARO SPA Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM 313.9 1'24.397 0.538 / 0.016
    12 51 Michele PIRRO ITA Pramac Racing Ducati 310.3 1'24.508 0.649 / 0.111
    13 9 Danilo PETRUCCI ITA Ducati Team Ducati 307.6 1'24.517 0.658 / 0.009
    14 38 Bradley SMITH GBR Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia 308.5 1'24.623 0.764 / 0.106
    15 42 Alex RINS SPA Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki 312.1 1'24.628 0.769 / 0.005
    16 73 Alex MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 313.0 1'24.690 0.831 / 0.062
    17 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 302.5 1'24.699 0.840 / 0.009
    18 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR LCR Honda CASTROL Honda 309.4 1'24.764 0.905 / 0.065
    19 53 Tito RABAT SPA Esponsorama Racing Ducati 305.0 1'24.806 0.947 / 0.042
    20 41 Aleix ESPARGARO SPA Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia 310.3 1'24.808 0.949 / 0.002
    21 6 Stefan BRADL GER Repsol Honda Team Honda 311.2 1'24.914 1.055 / 0.106
    5 Johann ZARCO FRA Esponsorama Racing Ducati
     
  14. Jedb

    Jedb Professional Novice :-)

    MotoGP - Free Practice #2

    1 44 Pol ESPARGARO SPA Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM 309.4 1'23.638
    2 30 Takaaki NAKAGAMI JPN LCR Honda IDEMITSU Honda 309.4 1'23.904 0.266 / 0.266
    3 36 Joan MIR SPA Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki 305.9 1'23.907 0.269 / 0.003
    4 42 Alex RINS SPA Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki 310.3 1'24.009 0.371 / 0.102
    5 12 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 305.9 1'24.060 0.422 / 0.051
    6 88 Miguel OLIVEIRA POR Red Bull KTM Tech 3 KTM 310.3 1'24.118 0.480 / 0.058
    7 21 Franco MORBIDELLI ITA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha 307.6 1'24.187 0.549 / 0.069
    8 41 Aleix ESPARGARO SPA Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia 311.2 1'24.366 0.728 / 0.179
    9 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 301.6 1'24.378 0.740 / 0.012
    10 33 Brad BINDER RSA Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM 306.8 1'24.427 0.789 / 0.049
    11 27 Iker LECUONA SPA Red Bull KTM Tech 3 KTM 304.2 1'24.429 0.791 / 0.002
    12 73 Alex MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 310.3 1'24.463 0.825 / 0.034
    13 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR LCR Honda CASTROL Honda 309.4 1'24.560 0.922 / 0.097
    14 20 Fabio QUARTARARO FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha 302.5 1'24.643 1.005 / 0.083
    15 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 309.4 1'24.774 1.136 / 0.131
    16 51 Michele PIRRO ITA Pramac Racing Ducati 308.5 1'24.807 1.169 / 0.033
    17 43 Jack MILLER AUS Pramac Racing Ducati 307.6 1'24.925 1.287 / 0.118
    18 9 Danilo PETRUCCI ITA Ducati Team Ducati 307.6 1'24.985 1.347 / 0.060
    19 38 Bradley SMITH GBR Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia 307.6 1'25.025 1.387 / 0.040
    20 6 Stefan BRADL GER Repsol Honda Team Honda 306.8 1'25.057 1.419 / 0.032
    21 53 Tito RABAT SPA Esponsorama Racing Ducati 307.6 1'25.221 1.583 / 0.164
    5 Johann ZARCO FRA Esponsorama Racing Ducati
     
  15. Tj Hunter

    Tj Hunter Well-Known Member

    What is the actual engine count right now? Did they salvage morbidelli's or was that a total loss from use as a lawn dart?
     
  16. Chango

    Chango Something clever!

    Last I read, that engine had not been withdrawn, so it is still in service.
     
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  17. Dan Dubeau

    Dan Dubeau Well-Known Member

    Yamaha have withdrawn their request to open the engines, and have put some of those withdrawn engine back in play....... In short Lin says they've figured out what's wrong, and have come up with a plan and a method to change "engine settings" to mitigate the problem. In pr talk, "if we don't spin them as fast we wont fuck the valves as much" lol :D
     
  18. michael_chicago

    michael_chicago Well-Known Member

    I was in France in 2018 and saw a profile of Zarco on local TV programming and he seemed like a very cool guy. In contrast to Lorenzo's giant crib with girls sunning themselves by the pool, Zarco lived in a small cottage in the country. He had some friends over and they were all drinking wine and he played a little piano. He seemed like a real renaissance man.

    Keith Huewen made a couple comments about Johann being "different" or "strange" in last weekend's BT Sport coverage. Keith didn't elaborate, so I'm wondering what that was all about.
     
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  19. motion

    motion Nihilistic Member


    Were they drinking French wine? I may have to realign my thoughts about him, with this new evidence.
     
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  20. michael_chicago

    michael_chicago Well-Known Member

    Hey, I found that program! You can see his house at 3:10 and the piano playing at 5:00. I was mistaken about the wine, though.

     
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