Ripped off, what would you do?

i went and read all of it, and there is also this from EDR " he travels ALL the time so we told him we would have no issue to take bike to Forward air to drop off. Customer brought us the bike/keys and then flew out of town. We then took to forward air next day iirc."

there are obviously alot of misunderstanding in here

 

Dude, I so missed you at Tally! I had new posters made up for my signage outside and picked out an awesome one of you from the GNF that I wanted you to see!

 

Sounds to me EDR had the bike the entire time. Is this not true ED Who?

When the new owner took delivery of the bike, what sort of documentation was provided? What's the customer saying about this? If the paperwork says EDR shipped and provided the sale via Bill of Sale, etc, then it's time to take EDR to court and especially if the new owner can prove that the bike was in EDR possession the entire time. Paperwork in order would make for a strong case. I sued Manny Moe and Jack and won for something similiar! Dates and paperwork helped me win the case. If EDR wants no involvement with this, they should have thought twice before shipping / providing consignment services for their stand up (dirt bags) friends.:tut: If that bike never left EDR shop after the build then we all know the truth now!!!

 

Your confused.... or just on EDR's side (which it sure seems that way) EDR claims he shipped the bike, which to seller delivered to him to take to forward air

Buyer seems to have been told by seller the bike was never in his possession, and was shipped out by EDR after it was built, and solely in EDR's possession.

Honestly how many of these threads are we going to have where somebody gets butt-fucked, and is then lynch mobbed by the butt-fuckee's buddies. This is insane, I have been friends with people for 20 years, but if they ripped somebody off I'm not going to stand behind them and preach how they've never ripped me off....... so the other party should go fuck themselves.......

I'm not accusing EDR or seller of anything.... But it is comical to me the guy doesn't list names, has tried to resolve this for over a YEAR and as soon as the shops name is mentioned here he comes to call B.S. along with his army of "stand up guys"

 

Yeah it is amazing. After claiming "oh i never check these forums" or my pms or my email. But magically he appears as soon as the name pops out on the forum. But of course hes been way to busy the past year to speak with the guy that got screwed but since his shops name is online he decides he wants to talk LOL.

 

Not only that, but EDR's cronies also have determined the buyer is so fucking stupid, he actually took the wrong motor apart thinking it was the motor that came in the bike..... Maybe they have google earth pics, or top secret surveillance showing this buyers garage with a surplus of R6 engines, some of which with about half of the internal parts described in the bikes "mod list"

That's one of the more imaginative ideas the cronies have come up with so far. Maybe the pilot of the "Forward Air" aircraft dug into the crate, disassembled the engine mid flight, and replaced some parts with stock parts..... It's possible

The more I think about it, the more I think the OP is a whiny bitch, he probably has no life, took the wrong motor apart and decided to make up this entire story and pursue it for over a year because he's on welfare, and watches gay porn (severe sarcasm)

 

I figured it out. EDR calimed the original seller dropped the bike off with the keys at the shop, then flew out of town right? So he had his pilot meet up with the shipment plane boarding it mid flight. The seller then proceeded to take the EDR built motor apart and replace it with shitty cheap parts. Afterwards he parachuted back to EDR's shop. This is more likley what happen lol

 

not on anyone's side, but i have been involved in something similar (i built a tricked out crf50/107 motor, sold it to a friend that only paid me for 50% of it... friend used it a few times... sold it to another guy and paid me my other 50% and that guy blew it up the first time riding it, and came after me for a refund because i built it and he saw my buddy pay me the cash he owed me... he assumed he was buying it off me, with a middleman.)

there are 2 sides to every story. in this case there are 3....

i could type all night on all sides of it, but im not going to waste my time. i just think both sides are lacking details.

 

What is amazing to me is that someone can start a thread and trash a shop that may or MAY NOT have done anything, while the 'original posters' didn't call the shop, didn't pursue any legal action if he was wronged, and hasn't offered anything as evidence other than 'the guy said it didn't' ... show the engine numbers, VIN, show that the EDR safety wiring was still on the cases. EDR builds motors day in and day out, they aren't a fly by night shop.

Given what I have known and seen with my own eyes and experienced in my own lifetime, I know that the EDR crew and ED would have my back (as they have for 10 years) regardless of what slag was thrown my way. A shop lives by their reputation, if the guy has issue, proof, documentation, or w/e, man up and show it or sue the shop. Otherwise realize that the stories don't add up, they have holes and again we are left with a he said she said... I trust the shop that has worked my bikes, my son's bikes, and my friends. I know for a fact EDR would not be in business today with all the competition in PDX that has come and gone if they did anything shady with their street riding cliental.

IF ED felt he did wrong, it would be fixed. They have admitted mistakes in the past and they haven't told them to pound sand. Obviously that isn't the case. Again, the phone number is on their site... call them. If you get Corie say Hello, she is worth talking to.

You call it being a crony, in reality it is knowing how someone runs their business through personal experience.

 

I agree.... things are probably fuzzy on both sides. I'm just sick of people getting the shaft, and then get double shafted by the fuckheads posse showing up and vouching for a ripoff scamming fucktard. (which I'm not saying that is the case here)

I do like your pics Kovz, so in the event you decide to rip somebody off, I'll stand behind you

 

Read the first couple posts, the guy has called, left messages via phone, and forums for over a YEAR..... Still not taking sides, but least you could do is read the thread and get the facts straight. This is precisely what's gone on in other similar threads, and imo it looks shitty for the "accused" party.. People coming in and yelling about how great the "accused party" is, all the while they don't even have the facts of the situation straight :down:

And why should the buyer have to provide evidence via the internet.... EDR doesn't have build pics, and the doc's that came with the bike don't match the work done... Double standard much?

 

i just believe that if you call someone out, you go big or dont do it at all. like sanfret posted above, post details. engine numbers (most builder should record this, or have their own marking on the motor), take pics of the teardown once your realize its not what you think you were sold.

how many miles were on the bike when he took delivery? if the bike had like under 100mi on it, its easy to beleive it never left the shop. easy to do 100mi of dyno time from before and after a build.... if it had a few hundred on it, then its hard to believe it stayed at the shop.

i totally agree someone is full of shit and someone is getting screwed, and there is nothing more that i hate than a scammer, but just taking someone's word on it and calling the blame out without posting solid facts is kinda shitty too.

 

I agree, but it is a double standard when it comes to the buyer needing to provide pics and such, when the documentation he got the bike showing work done doesn't add up... Ya know, the shop doesn't have video/picture proof of the work done, so it's iffy to take the shops word over the buyer...... And I'm with you, I'm not taking anyone's sides, but I am sick to death of people getting fucked over and a mob of the accused party come along and gang bang the person who got fucked, in this case it could be 3 people at fault, bottom line somebody got screwed and somebody's hiding the real truth:tut:

 

I would have been there, but I got some top secret, purdy body work coming my way and it won't be ready until right before Roebling. Are you going to be there? I GOTTA have some pics when this stuff comes in

 

WOW...
I'm out of town on business and kind of laughing a bit. Facts are Cliff the guy who sold me the bike was talking about sueing EDR. He told me the bike never left EDR. Maybe he is full of sh@t maybe not. I can only tell you what I did. Fact is I did call EDR numerous times, spoke to a super nice woman on the phone nad after being put on hold it was always "he's on the Dyno he will get back to you." All I ever asked for was a reasonable explanation. Sh&t happens I understand that. But I'm not an uneducated customer, I know what a lightened and welded crank looks like, I know the difference between YEC cams and stock cams. I'm am a 100% straight shooter, when I f@#k up I man up to it. Communication would have kept all the BS from happening. EDR wasn't to busy to talk to me when was contemplating buying the bike, spent a bit of time on the phone with me, what changed after I got it? Never blamed them for the motor dropping a valve, it was Daytona, I should have run it a little richer, my problem. All I was pissed about was the internal parts were not what they were as supposed to be AND THEY DEFINATELY WERE NOT. The motor build is listed on their website?? So if you want to defend them do it, I don't care, as far as I'm concerned they ripped off Cliff the man who paid them alot of money to build the bike, or there was some huge misunderstanding between Cliff and Eric. I got the short end of the stick, it's all good not going to lose any sleep over this.

 

I probably wouldnt lose much sleep over it either but i would make sure the other party or parties involved lost some sleep wondering what to do next when my attorney hit them with a lawsuit. Im sure they would settle real quick, i mean look at how quick they responded once their name got out on the forum. Hope things work out there are some people on here that want to see the right thing done.

 

pics of said engine?

 

your not the first guy hints the name

 

how did you tell the difference?

 

his motors oil the track more exxon valdez